Is this German silver?

emaliek · Post by **emaliek** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:54 pm

The mark is 800 FB and in the triangle is 5 with a cross. The marks don't hace the usual crescent of German marks.

blakstone · Post by **blakstone** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:31 pm

I can't seem to get your links to work, but from your description they marks sound consistent with those used in Czechoslovakia from 1929 until the German Occupation (ca. 1941), the five being the fifth standard of .800 silver.

Post by **2209patrick** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:40 pm

Bahner · Post by **Bahner** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:32 am

Hello, that's correct. Maker is Frantisek (Franz) Bibus from MÃ¤hrisch-Ostrau (Ostrawa). Best wishes, Bahner

emaliek · Post by **emaliek** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:18 am

Thanks very much for the replies! I'd love a reference book on German/Danish/other European makers. Any suggestions?

Post by **dognose** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:49 am

Hi Emaliek,
A good book for Europeon marks would be International Hallmarks on Silver by Maurice Lengelle Tardy,
Regards Trev.

Post by **admin** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:13 pm

Just to clarify, Tardy does not include maker's marks.
There are a great many works on makers from specific countries and time periods, but I cannot actually think of a good general book for European makers' marks.
The most extensive grouping I've seen is in "Art Nouveau and Art Deco Silver" by Analiese Krekel-Aalberse. The book illustrates about 350 maker's marks, European and American ca.1890 - 1940.

Regards, Tom

emaliek · Post by **emaliek** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:24 pm

I do have the Tardy book. Thanks for the info. I hope to get some more manufacturer and pattern resources.

Post by **dognose** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:59 pm

Hi Emaliek,
Sorry, I misread your question,
Regards Trev.

Bahner · Post by **Bahner** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:47 am

Hello,

First, I have to correct myself. Location of the company was in the city of MÃ¤hrisch TrÃ¼bau (Moravska Trebova), not MÃ¤hrisch Ostrau.

Bibus founded a workshop for small silverware in 1883 and later started making silverplated objects, too. In 1908 production of cutlery was taken up, since 1915 Bibus also produced larger tableware. In the late 1920ies or early 1930ies he also took up production of stainless cutlery and tableware. Looks like the company was privately owned until 1973. In that year it seems to have been taken over by the Czech state and renamed “Rostex” (literally: “Nostain”). I am not aware whether the Rostex company existing today in the city of Vyskov had or has anything to do with that.

After 1900 Bibus made some striking objects in the art nouveau style of the “Wiener WerkstÃ¤tten”, later he produced strikingly modernistic cutlery and tableware. So far it is not known who designed all these objects. I am not aware of a monograph or a longer article on the company. There are some scattered infos on Bibus in German or Spanish exhibition catalogues on the Czech avantgarde movement, but that’s about it.

Best wishes, Bahner

Post by **admin** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:29 am

A good general sourcebook for early 20th century European patterns and makers is "Bestecke des Jugendstils - Art Nouveau Knives, Forks and Spoons"
Inventory Catalogue of the Deutsches Klingenmuseum Solingen, Germany. ISBN: 3925369953

Bahner · Post by **Bahner** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:07 am

Hello, when consulting the book one should be aware that it contains a considerable number of mistakes (wrong dates, wrong attributions to designers etc.). Best wishes, Bahner

emaliek · Post by **emaliek** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:59 am

Thanks to all for the info!
Angela

IVAN MILOVIC, M.D. · Post by **IVAN MILOVIC, M.D.** » Sun May 06, 2007 7:58 am

DEAR SIR,
THE MARKS ARE USED ON SILVER OBJECTS IN INDEPENDENT SLOVAKIA AFTER THE GERMAN OCCUPATION OF BOHEMIA.
BEST REGARDS,
IVAN MILOVIC, M.D.

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