A chalice

[amena]

In the museum of a church in Bologna there is this chalice that has a writing on the foot



I onite Andronic si sdie sa Nastasie 1889.

I think it's Romanian but I have no idea what it means.
There are also two small marks that obviously I could not clean, and that I can not identify.

Can someone help me?
Thank you
Amena

[huszas76]

Hello!
I think, it's an inscription about a donation.
"Ionit Andronic, and his wife, Nastasie, 1889."
Best regards!
Krisztián

[huszas76]

About the marks:
I think, it's upside down. It's a 10 lot fineness number, and a maker's mark, maybe I.N.
That's all I see, and I think, if it's all we have, nearly impossible to identify. Except someone know this maker's mark with an identified guild mark.
Best regards!
Krisztián

[amena]

Thanks a lot Krisztián. I hoped so much that you answered.
The information you have given is really valuable for writing the museum's caption.
Is it reasonable to assume that the manufacture is Romanian?
Best regards
Amena

[huszas76]

Well, I really don't know.
First of all: The first official hallmark system in Romania is from 1906. We don't know anything sure before that time, just only few suppositions.
So we think, that they used the lot system, and with another punch they used a symbol, what is assumed to their cities.
Some examples and discussions from the past:
http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic ... an#p111183
http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic ... ian#p90077
http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic ... ian#p87920
On the other hand, the 10 lot fineness is very rear. In Hungary I know only a few examples, mostly buttons and buckles
I've never seen it suspected romanian spoons, or items with 10 lot fineness, but it is possible.
And - of course - this could be german, where the lot system was general too.
But it's all some shots in the dark.
Best regards!
Krisztián

[amena]

Thanks again Krisztián