some help with identity

[panatha]

Is Ivan khlebenikov?
Some help here for year and silvermaker?
Thanks in advance

[Goldstein]

Hi panatha -

please show a photo of the object. Marks and quality are strange...




Regards
Goldstein

[Qrt.S]

The Swan mark is a French import mark and has nothing to do with the other marks. Anyway, is the mark right of the fineness mark (84) supposed to show the Imperial Double-Headed Eagle (court supplier mark)?

[Goldstein]

Hi panatha -

in my opinion later struck fake marks. Khlebnikov`s workmaster knew how to place correct marks. Doublestruck? No way!

Regards
Goldstein

[Adieu]

If it helps: Here's what I'm 99% sure is a Khlebnikov mark on a confirmed genuine 19th century article of Russian silver with known history

[dognose]

Hi Adieu,

Welcome to the Forum.

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Trev.

[Goldstein]

Hi Adieu -

welcome as a new member! Important is to know how to post images - there are tutorials on the forum.
To help a newcomer I post your image....

Here's what I'm 99% sure is a Khlebnikov mark on a confirmed genuine 19th century article of Russian silver with known history

99% certainty is not good enough on a forum like that - as well as some gossip about the history/quote. We prefere facts.

Please look at the red arrows - the original maker was overstamped!
The cauliflower - like Court supplier´s eagle (later added) ist just a joke as well as the clumsy Khlebnikov punch.

Here an original punch:



Here some original literature:




Now compare!

Regards
Goldstein

[AG2012]

Silver and leather notepad holder ?
Judging by engraved inscription it`s authentic Russian piece.
Can you show us the engraved text ?
Regards