Cigarette Case Marks

[raffagnos]

Hi everyone,

firstly sorry aobut my English : )

I bought a silver cigarette case and it has been some marks...

It has a sickle hammer but there is not any star around that. Just sickle hammer and some numbers etc.

I looked a lot of case and Russian marks but I couldnt see the same marks...

I think it ise from 1920s but I am not sure and who ise maker, what its details etc. For example it has no 825-900-925, or what is mean of 4 - 7 - 5 and there is a "u" under sickle hammer, and there is a W, and another stamp...

I want to learn every thing about this case and I hope you can help me...

[raffagnos]

I learnt now something from your forum in another topic :)

[img]https://www.925-/td/f/General/Poland.jpg[/img]

It is a Polish marks. and after 1920s thats ok. But the other details ?

and sorry for flood...

[raffagnos]

I learnt now something from your forum in another topic :)

https://www.925-/td/f/General/Poland.jpg

It is a Polish marks. and after 1920s thats ok. But the other details ?

and sorry for flood...

[raffagnos]

W is Warsaw,
3 is mean 800 or 80% silver content

4? 7? 5? little "u" ? and who is maker ?

[AG2012]

Hi,
The maker is Piotr Łątkowski (PŁ).
Pay attention to the stroke on letter L (Polish orthography).
Regards

[raffagnos]

Thank you so much your answer and help...

Yes I saw the attention on L.

I will search other details and him

[AG2012]

Engraving with 1931 is obviously the year of manufacture or purchase as a memory of an occasion, birthday or gift.
Later mark and amateur scratching:
There is hammer and sickle with numbers, as well as scratched name of the city DANZIG ДАНЦИГ (now Gdansk in Poland) in Cyrillic alphabet, most likely something to do with Soviet Red Army occupation of the city in March 1945.

The city also endured heavy Allied and Soviet air raids. Those who survived and could not escape had to face the Soviet Army, which captured the heavily damaged city on 30 March 1945 followed by large-scale rape and looting.

[raffagnos]

I think 1931 is a gift day , I agree, (or maybe army date etc. )
in 1945 its second owner (maybe), and he lived in Gdansk etc.

but two dates are amateur too, not original, but the hammer is original stamp (it is not amateur scratching), I mean if this case from 1920-30 so the hammer and sickle it couldnt be from 1945, it has to be from production dates.

Maybe when WW2 its about Poland army (4-7-5-u and hammer and sickle). I dont know. So the hammer and sickle maybe from 1930-40s but its from garrison, (just an idea)

By the way, I saw a topic today in here and dognose's sharing.

There is a logo look like same the cigarette case logo : )





It is a nice coincidence

[AG2012]

That`s Faberge brooch with letter ‚‚M‚‚
Nothing to do with the monogram on cigarette case.
Hammer and sickle mark cannot be Polish before WW II because Poland was not a communist country at the time.

[raffagnos]

Hammer and sickle mark cannot be Polish before WW II because Poland was not a communist country at the time.

Yes you are right, they were not a communist country, but I saw something about that period. They have been a communist party in 1918-1938 and specially 1921-26 they have political freedom and full advantage of all legal avenues offered it.





I mean I am not sure of course but maybe this case is about this communist party... Is it possible ? or not ?

and thanks for the city name and other all details again...

[AG2012]

I doubt there was any official Polish mark with hammer and sickle before WW II.
Opting for Soviet provenance of the mark.

[raffagnos]

Actually I agree you, just I try to learn who stamp hammer and sickle and when and why ?

Because the case is from 1920-1931 ok
and 2 different owners' amateur scratching dates are there... 1931 and 1945 ok

But the hammer and sickle is not amateur and after making that case , after 20-25 years why again a new stamp and what is its mean 4-7-5 and little u
etc.

And yes, you are right, I couldnt see any object or another thing about Polish and which has hammer and scikle before WWII

so if I understand true;

This case is from 1920-31
owners lived and used it 1931-1945 and maybe after that...
but the hammer and sickle is from after 1940s (it is not about Piotr Łątkowski)

I wonder the story of thic cigarette case...

[Aguest]

Those little numbers remind me of another Polish Cigarette Case someone posted on here, I believe the font is similar, but the other case was marked "24A" and it did not have a "hammer & sickle" hallmark, and unfortunately the photos of that hallmark are no longer existent, but it is interesting....

Why couldn't the series of numbers be some kind of "Soviet Re-Marking" which could have been done during the Soviet influence from 1939-1945?
Even if not official, could it be some kind of informal "Soviet Re-Marking" which occasionally took place upon silver from Poland from 1939-1945?

I suppose, given the lack of information in this area, we lack sufficient facts to support such a claim.

But it is interesting.....

[AG2012]

The post with ``24A`` and the discussion was about still unidentified Moscow 24th artel.