Dutch Van Kempen tea pot: exported to Sweden?

pearlband · Post by **pearlband** » Wed May 09, 2007 3:08 pm

I would appreciate your views on this Dutch Van Kempen tea pot with export mark: do you believe these marks 171 and 833S are Swedish, and do you have any clue as to its age? (either based on the 171 mark or based on the style of the tea pot itself. The Van Kempen mark has been used between 1858 - 1924, but that is of course a very wide time range.

The coat of arms to the left is of the Swedish noble family Carlheim-GyllenskiÃ¶ld. The crest on the right is as of yet unknown .

Apparently this was a wedding present, and I would like to find out when it was given. Also a more precise dating would be very helpful in tracking down the other family crest

thanks!

Juke · Post by **Juke** » Sun May 13, 2007 7:35 am

It can not be Swedish because the silver control mark is missing. Also I don't see any Swedish date or city mark. The 833 has not been used in Sweden as to my knowledge.

It marks could be Norwegian or from some other northern European country.

Regards,
Juhana

Post by **dragonflywink** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:55 pm

Would guess that the 833S and the 171 were stamped in the Netherlands, believe 833 was the second standard until 1953.

~Cheryl

pearlband · Post by **pearlband** » Mon May 14, 2007 9:32 am

After quite some research I found out that the shield on the right is Danish and belongs to the noble family of Castenschiold.

Bengt Gustaf Carlheim-GyllenskÃ¶ld (born 11 November 1885) married Thora Gerda Sophie Castenschiold (born 1 Februari 1882) on 20 August 1912 in Copenhagen, so the tea pot was probably exported to Denmark in 1912 or a little bit earlier. I think I recognized the 833S on the Danish pages here, so that would fit nicely.

Thank you for your thoughts!

Hose_dk · Post by **Hose_dk** » Mon May 14, 2007 11:50 am

No I dont think so. A piese exported to Denmark would not be marked again. And definetly not by 833S.

Hose_dk · Post by **Hose_dk** » Mon May 14, 2007 12:07 pm

If you go to the site containing Duch marks - you can see that 833 is standard Dutch silver mark.
The mark that we cannot see - is it not the dolphin saying 833 or lower (the mark named K at the same page).

171 could be a type number. Then alle 4 marks are dutch.

The code of arms can be put on the tea pot in either the Netherlands or perhaps in Demark. Most likely the first - so that the maker has made the engraving when he made the tea pot.

Nice when it is possible to identify things.

Doos · Post by **Doos** » Tue May 15, 2007 7:22 am

The 833s and 171 are not official dutch marks. The mark with the export key in it is the silver mark.
Probably the 171 is a number for the design and the 833s stamped by the seller (or at the factory).