Dear members,
I am new here, I am glad I've found so amazing group.
Hope you can help me to authorize these 2x cigarette cases and Kovsh.
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First cigarette case:
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Thank you!
Please help with 2x Cigarette cases and Kovsh!
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Re: Please help with 2x Cigarette cases and Kovsh!
Hi,
Sailing boat mark on the right of 84 should stand for Kostroma,but maker`s mark is Pavel Ovchinikov
(П.Овчинников) which is extremely controversial.
Although the cigarette case looks authentic (images are not very good,though), I think lucrative maker`s mark is faked to increase the value.Besides, the cloisonne quality does not match excellent enamelled work by one of the best Russian silversmiths.
Let`s wait for more responses.
Regards
Sailing boat mark on the right of 84 should stand for Kostroma,but maker`s mark is Pavel Ovchinikov
(П.Овчинников) which is extremely controversial.
Although the cigarette case looks authentic (images are not very good,though), I think lucrative maker`s mark is faked to increase the value.Besides, the cloisonne quality does not match excellent enamelled work by one of the best Russian silversmiths.
Let`s wait for more responses.
Regards
Re: Please help with 2x Cigarette cases and Kovsh!
Agree with AG2012. In addition, where is the court supplier mark? The hallmark on the case was used 1882-1899. At that time Ovtchinnikov was already court supplier.
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Re: Please help with 2x Cigarette cases and Kovsh!
Dear
Can you please see more photos of the item, I also ve been trying to put close up photos of enamel.There is few places where enamel have different "red" colors and its look suspicious for me. I hope I still have few days to return the item. In case its purely non Russian antique enamel fake, I would be really sad.
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thank you for your amazing reply! I want to thank you Admin as well to help me to make proper post!Qrt.S
Can you please see more photos of the item, I also ve been trying to put close up photos of enamel.There is few places where enamel have different "red" colors and its look suspicious for me. I hope I still have few days to return the item. In case its purely non Russian antique enamel fake, I would be really sad.
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Re: Please help with 2x Cigarette cases and Kovsh!
I am also a bit scared that cigarette case was aged artificial.
Re: Please help with 2x Cigarette cases and Kovsh!
Based on poor quality of photograps the only thing I see for sure that the item is not made by P.Ovchinnikov, and most likly not authentic - period.
Regards,
Regards,
Re: Please help with 2x Cigarette cases and Kovsh!
Hi,
Enamel is actually powdered glass molten within the cloisonne cells.
If damaged, re-firing to repair it is impossible, but instead various colours can be used to fill missing enamel.It can be easily tested with the tip of a needle; it will not scratch enamel but soft colour of any kind will be scratched.No harm done to the piece.
I mean, the cigarette case could be genuine after all, but in rather poor condition, repaired and faked marks added to make it more appealing.
Regards
Enamel is actually powdered glass molten within the cloisonne cells.
If damaged, re-firing to repair it is impossible, but instead various colours can be used to fill missing enamel.It can be easily tested with the tip of a needle; it will not scratch enamel but soft colour of any kind will be scratched.No harm done to the piece.
I mean, the cigarette case could be genuine after all, but in rather poor condition, repaired and faked marks added to make it more appealing.
Regards