17th century german silver spoon

[antiquv]

Hello
I have this 17th ? century german silver spoon and i wanted to ask if anyone can verify the period of this spoon
and maybe help with the city mark and the coat of arms on the back.

Thank you very much

[WarrenKundis]

Good morning,

The last photo's mark appears to be an assay office for the city Baja in the former Confederation of Austria - Hungary. There should be a loth number 13 at the bottom which is missing from the spoon I have which looks nothing like yours. Gentleman I purchased it from indicated at date circa 1850. At the moment it appears to be upside down. Can we also roll over the other mark as well to see if it makes more sense.

Hope this helps.
Warren

[Theoderich]

There are so many towns with 3 towers hallmark in Central Europe.
I have no idea which town it is.

[huszas76]

I don't think, it's from Baja.
We don't know early items from Baja, but we have to remember, that until 1700 it was under osman occuoation.
The first known makers and items is from the start of the 19. century.
The hallmark of Baja is totally different, it's represent the coat of arms of Baja, shape of Eve & Adam with the tree. Another version was the tree with two lions (From a jewish maker, we think, he doesn't want to image mens.
I can't share the photos of my examples, the tinypi doesn't work.
Best regards!
Krisztián

[WarrenKundis]

Your right what I spotted had two marks. Would still like to see the mark turned over for a better look. What do you both think of the spoon itself?

Warren

[antiquv]

some better pictures of the marks :

[antiquv]

anybody has any idea ?

[legrandmogol]

the spoon definitely dates from the late 17th to early 18th century where ever it comes from. It does seem German but if Theoderich doesn't know than I don't know what to tell you. It kinda looks the mark for Frankenstein but I can find only one example of a mark from there and it comes from later than the date of this spoon.

[Theoderich]

Are there some other spoons like this known (in any town)?

[legrandmogol]

yes, when I get home Monday I'll go through my books because I know I have seen it before in at least one of them.

[Theoderich]

Lets have a look in the book of Köszeghy.
Pressburg
P. 294/5 no. 1741
? probably Jobst von der Gabor???
it is not sure

[huszas76]

I agree with Theo!
Best regards!
Krisztián

[Aguest]

::::: What kind of symbol is that hallmark". ::::: Is it a swan? :::: And is that the mark of the maker? :::::

[huszas76]

The hallmark is a castle with 3 towers.
The mark of the maker is upside down, a ZG (GZ) monogram.
Best regards!
Krisztián

[Aguest]

:::: Thank you. I thought the makers mark would be initials but I could not figure out what I was seeing due to extensive rubbing :::::