Genuine or pseudo marks?

[juantotree]

Hi

What do people think of these marks, genuine but damaged or pseudo?

Many Thanks
Martin

[Sasropakis]

I would say pseudo. The orientation is completely mixed-up and the duty mark (head of king George III) appears to be mirror image. Those look like Chinese export marks although I couldn't find an exact match.

[mk209]

Aha more of these marks......I have 3 tablespoons here with identical marks. Still no idea but North American is most likely.

Matt.

[mk209]

[juantotree]

Thanks for the replies, looks like another one to add to my growing collection of unidentified pieces.

Martin

[Traintime]

I don't get it. If a knowledgeable maker were applying "phony" marks to aid an equally aquainted buyer in having a presentable set of silver designed to look like the real thing, then why would he allow the marks to spin wildly out of control such that it betrays the wholle illusion? Or is this a genuine "faker" who is a trying to fool even the buyers?

[wev]

These pseudo marks are associated with the wholesale manufacture of (Philo B.) Gilbert, (Daniel) Cunningham & Co, NYC c 1840. The marks, always in that order, though often erratically stamped as here, are fairly common and found with the mark of retailers mostly in NYC, but as far south as Charleston SC. I have come across the I•D mark several times, but have not seen a likely attribution.

[wev]

That should have read "The marks, ALMOST always in that order..."

[wev]

this needs to be moved to the Coin Silversmiths forum