Need help identifying these hallmarks

[lmallier]

hi,
I recently bought this solid silver candlestick.
I am posting this topic in this thread as I think I managed to find one of the crests engraved on it: Duke of Hamilton, Hamiltons clan of Scotland.
Maybe the making of this candlestick is from somewhere else but I failed o find anything similar in my French Tardy book...
Any help on the hallmarks /and or the Crests will be greatly appreciated.
Best,
Louis.

[Bahner]

Hello, made in Berlin around 1850. Cannot be more precise because I currently do not have access to my library. The letter B in a circle is that of the second warden. The N might be the maker. There was a maker Nelson in Berlin who stamped with a N much like that, he might have been the one. There was a Prussian branch of the Hamilton clan, so maybe that is where the candlestick came from originally. Regards, Bahner

[lmallier]

Thanks Bahner.
I really thought this piece was older than that.
Best

[AG2012]

Hi,
"N" stands for the Berlin silverware manufacturer A. Nelson.Letter N of this form was used later by R. Hell, successor of A.Nelson in Berlin,seen with crescent and crown and millesimal fineness.
Your candlestick was made before 1886 (town marks abolished), but not much earlier than that,i.e. mid 19th century as already suggested by Bahner.
Regards

[silverfan]

Bear with K is assayer J.C.S. Kessner 1819-1854, second assayer B is Ch.F. Deppe 1842-1847, so that you can date your item in this time frame.
Regards silverfan

[lmallier]

Thanks to all of you.
Now I just need to focus on the Crests!

[Traintime]

Just a reference link...prior entry (2007) on these coupled Berlin first and scond warden marks: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=8276&hilit=second+warden