What are these insects on these french spoons and forks?
What are these insects on these french spoons and forks?
so on the forks and spoons, of which I'm trying to find the silversmith, on the topside are marks that appear to be insects.
I did not find anything remotely similar in my research.
They all seem slightly different and they are not bound in a cartouche or diamond.
They all have the Minerva stamp and I think they are from the late 1800s
Thoughts?
https://imgur.com/gallery/56FByid
here are just some of the insects
I did not find anything remotely similar in my research.
They all seem slightly different and they are not bound in a cartouche or diamond.
They all have the Minerva stamp and I think they are from the late 1800s
Thoughts?
https://imgur.com/gallery/56FByid
here are just some of the insects
Re: What are these insects on these french spoons and forks?
Llook the other side.
And search " bigorne"
And search " bigorne"
Re: What are these insects on these french spoons and forks?
Wow thank you all...super interesting...I never knew about this.
What a wonderful rabbit hole i've been in over the last few days.
Thank you Thank You Thank you.
What a wonderful rabbit hole i've been in over the last few days.
Thank you Thank You Thank you.
Re: What are these insects on these french spoons and forks?
Ok one more question on this subject.
HOW DID ONE CARVE OUT SUCH INTRICACIES IN SUCH A SMALL SCALE?!?!
Seriously baffled by that ...you can see the leg thorns and abdomen segmentation.
HOW DID ONE CARVE OUT SUCH INTRICACIES IN SUCH A SMALL SCALE?!?!
Seriously baffled by that ...you can see the leg thorns and abdomen segmentation.
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Re: What are these insects on these french spoons and forks?
In regards to the question as to HOW these insects were engraved on the die, the French mint, which supplied hallmarks and the engraved BIGORNE anvils, used a reducing mill, which is based on a pantograph. In order words, a large model would be engraved in a softer material, even plaster, as the then point would run all over its surface and transmit its position to an engraving tool which was geared to exactly reproduce what was sensed but in a much smaller scale.
This technique was used to make coin and medal dies and was even used by Lalique to engrave the ivor y figures he would set in his jewellery.
This technique was used to make coin and medal dies and was even used by Lalique to engrave the ivor y figures he would set in his jewellery.
Re: What are these insects on these french spoons and forks?
Thank you so much for the explanation.bijoux.expert wrote:In regards to the question as to HOW these insects were engraved on the die, the French mint, which supplied hallmarks and the engraved BIGORNE anvils, used a reducing mill, which is based on a pantograph. In order words, a large model would be engraved in a softer material, even plaster, as the then point would run all over its surface and transmit its position to an engraving tool which was geared to exactly reproduce what was sensed but in a much smaller scale.
This technique was used to make coin and medal dies and was even used by Lalique to engrave the ivor y figures he would set in his jewellery.
Totally makes sense too. Crafty buggers
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The anvil engraved with insects, the bigorne, was an integral part of the hallmarking process and the jeweller or silversmith was required to leave the bigorne imprint visible after polishing. Because of the large variety of insects and the habit of the hallmarkers to move the objects being marked to different positions on the bigorne, the mark tended to be virtually unique for each object hallmarked.
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Yes, I know the image is not showing! I am busily trying to find the EDIT button that FAQ claims is somewhere.......
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That is so cool...thanks againbijoux.expert wrote:[img][IMG]https://www.hebergeur-image.com/upload/78.196.157.144-6298d8a2666d1.jpg[/img][/img]
The anvil engraved with insects, the bigorne, was an integral part of the hallmarking process and the jeweller or silversmith was required to leave the bigorne imprint visible after polishing. Because of the large variety of insects and the habit of the hallmarkers to move the objects being marked to different positions on the bigorne, the mark tended to be virtually unique for each object hallmarked.
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I don't recall seeing an EDIT feature ( they must have taken their cues from Twitter).bijoux.expert wrote:Yes, I know the image is not showing! I am busily trying to find the EDIT button that FAQ claims is somewhere.......
The tag has an extra /img....I just cut/pasted the address into another Browser Tab.
Maybe the moderator can edit out the extra /img.