German & Belgium Hallmarks?

[tux]

Am I wrong to see both German and Belgium hallmarks on these forks?
(Makers marks info is appreciated)

[tux]

German maker: M.H. Wilkens & Söhne 1810 till now
(apparently its a "Crescent Moon"and not a Cloche)

[oel]

You are right, Belgian responsibility mark in barrel , and Belgian fineness mark A(rgent)800.
Can you see what's in the barrel?
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilkens_%26_S%C3%B6hne
The maker's mark of Wilkens  & Söhne is a Spindelpresse or screwpress.
800 fineness with crescent moon and crown, the German silver mark.

Peter.

[tux]

Thanks, is it common for Belgium silver to check/mark the import purity?
The Barrel maker mark is 1.5mm in hight but I cleaned up some more and made various new images.
Hope these are more clear, its hard to tell, like a bag with top handle and something in front?
sweeper and dustpan? (upside-down)

[oel]

The mark in the barrel is a bearskin cap. This sponsor/responsibility mark was used by Henry Jules Quintin, active in Brussels 18-2-1942-ca 1956.
I believe the forks to be made by Quintin and Wilkens & Söhne to be the retailer/importer. According Belgium regulations Imported Works (1st Januari 1942) Imported work must be marked by the importer or dealer (barrel shaped sponsor mark, fineness mark). Except when already carrying the foreign State Stamp, for states belonging to the European Union, when carrying identifying marks giving comparable information to that given by Belgian marks.

Bearskin cap used by the members of the Regiment Carabiniers Prins Boudewijn – Grenadiers in parade dress with bearskins
Two units in Belgium use the bearskin cap, the Belgian Royal Escort of the Belgian Federal Police,[11] and the Regiment Carabiniers Prins Boudewijn – Grenadiers of the Belgian Armed Forces Land Component. The uniforms of the Belgian Royal Escort, along with their bearskin caps, date back to 1939 when the unit was part of the Belgian Gendarmerie. Modelled after the Gendarmerie's pre-1914 uniforms, the uniforms featured a 3 kilograms (6.6 lb) bearskin cap adorned with a plume. Initially, Royal Belgian Escort captains wore bearskin caps with a white plume, while other unit members had caps with a different coloured plume. However, in 1997, the design of the bearskin caps was standardized, and red plumes were used on all caps regardless of rank. The Royal Belgian Escort continued to wear these uniforms after the Gendarmerie was merged with other police units to form the Federal Police in 2001. Bearskins were worn as part of the field uniform of the Régiment des Grenadiers of the Belgian Army until 1908. After that year the fur headdress was retained only for parade wear until the outbreak of war in August 1914.The Régiment des Grenadiers' modern successor, the Regiment Carabiniers Prins Boudewijn – Grenadiers has readopted this headdress for limited ceremonial purposes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bearskin

Source; Walter van Dievoet, Algemeen repertorium van de edelsmeden en van de merken van edelsmeedwerk in België, 1942-1997, page 15 and page 40 # 0057

[tux]

Thanks for the info on the Belgium mark, a lot new info, very cool!