Can these German marks be identified?

[bezalel]

Hello everyone. I am assuming these are pseudo-marks, even with the very convincing 18th century style zig-zag assay scrape. Any ideas who the maker is?

[huszas76]

Dear Bezalel!
First of all thank you for sharing the pictures, because it is very rare to see objects from Nyitra from the middle of the 18th century.
In any case, the above zig-zag line is very rarely visible in Hungarian objects, but the above example shows that it did occur.
The hallmark shows a hand holding a flag.
The maker's mark is unpublished yet, but I have seen already before in a salt cellar.
I cannot identify it without any doubt, but I assume that Gottfried Siffinger could be the maker.
All we know about him is that he worked in Nitra in the 1720 and 1732 censuses.
I would really appreciate it if I could get a sharp photo of the hallmark for my research.
Best regards!
Krisztián

[bezalel]

Wow, I am way off? 18th century Hungary? Does anyone else agree with that? I am traveling now and will not be back home to take a sharp, clear scan of the hallmarks until 4/18. I will do it as soon as I get back, thank you!

[Theoderich]

I cannot identify it without any doubt, but I assume that Gottfried Siffinger could be the maker.

For me makersmark looks more like JS. Was there a son or father?

[Theoderich]

this beaker looks more like Rumania (Siebenbürgen)

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%A2rgu_Mure%C8%99

How about this?

Târgu Mureș , Tîrgu Mureș (deutsch Neumarkt am Mieresch, ungarisch Marosvásárhely)

[huszas76]

Dear Theo!
As I wrote before hallmark of Nyitra was a hand with a flag:

I wrote too that I know another item from this maker:




So I don't have any doubts it is from Nyitra.
Best regards!
Krisztián

[huszas76]

On the other hand - for historical accuracy - Romania did not exist at that time only just the 2 big romanian principality, Tara Romanesca and Moldva (Havasalföld, Moldva)
Romania became in 1862 when this 2 principality united.
The Siebenbürgen (Transylvania) you mentioned was only annexed to Romania in 1920 so the cup originally had nothing to do with Romania.
Best regards!
Krisztián

[bezalel]

thanks for all your help!

[huszas76]

Dear Bezalel!
Thank you for the new photo about the hallmark.
Best regards!
Krisztián