Norwegian Silver Spoon

Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland
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Pepperonicini
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Norwegian Silver Spoon

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Any help is appreciated!

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Re: Norwegian Silver Spoon

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Hi Pepperoncini,

your spoon was made by Oluf Christian Jørgensen from Drammen/Norway.

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Source: Sigrid Wegge Tandberg, Norsk sølv, Gullsmeder gjennom 600 år, Bergen, Møre og Romsdal, Trøndelag, Nord-Norge, 2003, p. 133

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Re: Norwegian Silver Spoon

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The maker is the mentioned Jørgensen, but is it silver is another question. There is not a single Norwegian silver mark on it indicating that (or not showed). Unfortunately Norwegian silver marking procedures are sometimes deficient. Could be or not who knows? I have some doubts...likely plated.
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Re: Norwegian Silver Spoon

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Hi Pepperonicini,

please excuse me for missing the i in your name.

Take another close look at your spoon or try some changes using a photo-programm.
It may be no. 966, what means 13 1/4 LOT.

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Re: Norwegian Silver Spoon

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Hi Silverstone,
Could be, but that is not enough, where are the other missing marks???
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Re: Norwegian Silver Spoon

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::::: I can dig out a few spoons with 13-1/4 marked on them with a maker's mark, and sometimes even the 13-1/4 is omitted with only a maker's mark stamped on the spoon (Provincial Denmark Silver) :::::::: Not sure what else is supposed to be stamped on this spoon? :::::::::
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Re: Norwegian Silver Spoon

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Norwegian silver was from 1608 stamped with 13 ½ lodd (by law, Christian IV), who is equivalent to 843 S (843/1000). In the 1800´s it was permitted to stamp silver with 13 ¼ lodd. 13 ¼ is equivalent to 830 S. When Norway switched to decimal system in c. 1892, the 830 S (minimum standard), and 925 S stamps became the new standard. So in other words, your spoon is in silver! Stamped with maker´s mark O.C. Jørgensen, and the city stamp of Drammen.
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Re: Norwegian Silver Spoon

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Hi Gli,

this was your first comment in this forum.
I appreciate your comment.
Keep it up!

Thank you!
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Re: Norwegian Silver Spoon

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Okay, I’ll play the role of the spoiler here. Why does this mark appear more like Zed (13Z) than 13 1/4? Is it just a rather poor stamping at the end?
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Re: Norwegian Silver Spoon

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::: A combination of stamping issues (weak strike when actually struck and/or crude construction of the 13-1/4 on the punch itself) and digital-camera-software pixel-stacking :::::: The image that you see has been translated into pixels by the digital camera software, and sometimes there are issues with the pixel-stacking process, that's why it's always best to have the object in hand and turn it slightly under a light source ::::::::

::::: My brain has seen the "13-1/4" stamp before on Norwegian silver so my brain interpreted the image as "13-1/4" almost immediately :::::
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Re: Norwegian Silver Spoon

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Hi,
Irrespective of what have been "explained" here I am still rather skeptical like Traintime. I don't either see any 13¼ but a rather clear 13Z. Moreover, Oluf Christian Jørgensen stamped O.C.JORGENSEN or simply O.C.J..I cannot see any O to the far left in the name punch. There is some other letter. In addition Jørgensen's whole family name punch doesn't either show a Norwegian capital Ø like here but a capital O. The punch "PRÖVE" (test) is also missing.Take a new look at the picture on 3.7. I still stick to my first answer.. All in all a rather strange marking on a Norwegian SILVER spoon. On more thing, if the fineness would be 13¼ no slash would have been used but a hyphen minus (-) in the punch.
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