Bruckmann 2851 Sanktjohannser ?

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DRobinson
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Bruckmann 2851 Sanktjohannser ?

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This pattern and the hallmark look to me exactly like Bruckmann's 2851 pattern, but I cannot find any information on Sanktjohannser.

After much web-searching, I did find another Bruckmann pattern (1601) which also had 'Sanktjohannser' next to the hallmark. Apart from that, no further references anywhere.

Can anyone help with this please?

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blakstone
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Post by blakstone »

Bruckmann is the manufacturer, and Sanktjohannser is the retailer (who was located in Munich, if memory serves me.)
DRobinson
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Post by DRobinson »

Thank you so much, that puts my mind at rest that it isn't a "me-too".

Can you tell me why some items have the retailer name and not others?
And at what point in time would the retailer's name have been added - at manufacture time or later? Did they do this with Bruckmann's agreement? I'm just curious about this.
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Post by Bahner »

Hello,
Sanktjohannser was founded in Munich in 1812. Since 1887 it was called >Sanktjohannser Erben< (heirs). Max Strobl bought it in 1892 and sold it in 1933 to Florian Zängl. Lost track of what happend to the company after that.

The retailer's mark was either punched by the manufacturer, shortly after he made the pieces, or by the retailer (with the manufacturer's consent), after he received the pieces. There is no pattern as to who did it when. It was the retailer's choice to punch it with his own name (or not). If punched, he could and would claim that he also was the maker (thus misleading his clients). Best wishes, Bahner
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Post by Bahner »

- forgot to mention, designer of the pattern is Carl Zeller, who designed only two cutlery patterns for Bruckmann. Again best wishes. B.
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