17th century trefid spoon

[windag]

I have this trefid spoon, but cannot find the maker or region, anybody any ideas please?

[windag]

Sorry meant to read 17th early 18th

[Essexboy Found]

Hello Windag, my experience is fairy lacking in early 18th century silver, but I managed to enlarge one of your images without gross pixilation. I think a similar mark is seen on the website silvermakersmarks.co.uk. Turned 180 degrees, I thought one mark on your spoon could be "JO" and there is a similar mark, JO under a crown like serration, with an attribution (probable) to Lawrence Jones of London. That mark has been seen with dates 1706..1713. You have a date of 1720 on your spoon. Maybe you could post a large image of at least the crispest mark again for others to view and give opinions. My image is below.



Fishless

[windag]

Thanks for that, will retake the mark and this time not "shrink" it great info though many thanks, most of my collection is Georgian and to have a spoon of this age is a real bonus to me :-)
Thanks again
Nigel

[windag]

Hopefully these are better

[Essexboy Found]

Hello again, better pictures, so I do not think it is JO now. How are you image manipulation skills? Definitely looks to be gothic lettering, you could merge 2 of the marks together to get the complete maker's mark. What is you opinion on the lettering? I believe there will be so more knowledgeable Forum members that will be able to help you now.

Fishless

[windag]

Manipulation skills, not very good sadly have been through "West Country Spoons" and no luck will have to sit down with "Grimwades" now l have a better picture, would be great to find the maker, the only Trefid spoon l have
Nigel

[Essexboy Found]

Hello my try.



Which ever way up, it has been stamped 3 times, could your spoon be earlier than the date on the finial. Some English towns, other than the ones we know well, did also produce silver items. Expert views definitely needed here.

Fishless

[silvermakersmarks]

What appears to be this mark is shown in Jackson (page 517) as "IM?" in a section entitled "Wales and Unascribed English Provincial" and noted as seen on a trefid spoon with an estimated date of c1690. So no definite identification or location.

Phil

[windag]

Thanks Phil, all info appreciated
Nigel

[Aguest]

:: Might be a good candidate for an XRF analysis to determine if it is Britannia Silver (1697-1720) or Sterling Silver (Pre-1697 and Post-1720) ::

[windag]

Yes, this has crossed my mind if it is Sterling or Britannia standard
Nigel

[silvermakersmarks]

As it's a provincial piece Britannia or sterling wouldn't necessarily be conclusive for dating. And it may well be sub-standard anyway. So an XRF result would be interesting but might not be useful.