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Script V, ST. ELOY, Crown, Fox head, Anchor 830

Saint Eloy patron saint of the Goldsmiths and others.

Some auction sites and sellers claim the silver objects to be of Dutch origin, although some have a Dutch duty mark the Dutch script-letter V; duty mark for imported gold and silver objects, the V for the Dutch word ˜vreemd" which translate to foreign. The mark gives no guarantee of standard of fineness. It was intended for imported objects only. It was however sometimes by mistake used on old objects of national origin.Used 1906-1953

The marks seen on hand (hammered) made objects are those retailer and or maker's, pseudo marks or American?

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Identical tray, an early 20th century (circa 1915) silver serving tray made by Pochon Frères & Co.
Marks; marks of maker Pochon Frères & Co city of Bern Switserland.
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Marks of Pochon Frères & Co and ST.ELOY (Dutch) retailers mark and script V, Dutch duty mark for foreign/imported items ( duty mark for imported gold and silver objects, the V for the Dutch word ˜vreemd" which translate to foreign. (The mark gives no guarantee of standard of fineness. It was intended for imported objects only. It was however sometimes by mistake used on old objects of national origin.Used 1906-1953)

The unknown marks on the other tray, without the bear but lion instead which I believe to be for Pochon Frères & Co or ?
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In 1801, Jean-Jacques Pochon (1769-?) founded a goldsmith's workshop in Bern, laying the foundation for the family business, which existed until 1989. Jean-Jacques' son, Jean Frédéric Alexis (1804-?), took over his father's business in 1840 and moved it from Nydeggstalden to Kramgasse in 1850. In 1857, the third generation, Louis Henri Adolf Pochon (1836-1899), followed, with the business moving to Marktgasse 55 in 1874, where it remained until it closed in 1989. In 1871, the Pochon family, originally from Cortaillod, received Bernese citizenship. In 1899, brothers Adolf (1869-1931) and Hans (1874-1941) took over the management. In 1926 – the year of the 125th anniversary – the company was converted into a public limited company. Gebrüder Pochon AG made a name for itself with the production of traditional Bernese silver, not least because the punche marks of the renowned company Rehfues & Cie were transferred to Gebrüder Pochon after its dissolution in 1866.

The holdings in the Civic Library are a torso of the original company archive. What has been preserved are mainly drawings and templates for silverware by the Pochon brothers and Rehfues & Cie, as well as catalogues of silverware manufacturers with whom the Pochon brothers had business ties. The six business books from the period 1899-1920 provide an extremely interesting insight into the diverse business activities – from the production of goldsmith's work and silverware to engraving and watch repair. In addition, certificates and awards such as the gold medal at the Swiss National Exhibition in 1914 testify to the prestige of the company.

The company archive was compiled by Michel Dumont after the company was liquidated and donated to the Burgerbibliothek Bern by his heirs in 2024.

https://katalog.burgerbib.ch/detail.aspx?ID=530708


Some other marks used by Pochon frères
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Below marks used late 19th century
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Retailer's mark ST.ELOY seen on: Dutch silver Art Deco tea set maker's mark B under 2 stars for; C.L.J Begeer, Utrecht mark used 1904/1951, Kon. Utrechtse Fabriek van Zilverwerk C.J. Begeer, Retailers mark: ST ELOY, unknown mark probably designer's mark. Year letter T for 1929
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Thank you for sharing these interesting observations.
oel wrote: The marks seen on hand (hammered) made objects are those retailer and or maker's, pseudo or American ?
It seems with 830 fineness, the piece is more likely to come from elsewhere in Europe as opposed to America?
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Europe indeed Germany and Switzerland.

Perhaps we have found a possible candidate for the retailers mark ST. ELOY

The House of ST. ELOY Rotterdam.

Albertus Eduard Maria van der Loo (1878-1960), in 1901 founder and director of N.V. Het Huis van St. Eloy, jewelry traders registered in Rotterdam. He and his son and successor Joost Albertus van der Loo(1907-1985) learned the jewelry trade in Germany and Switzerland.
The House of St. Eloy in the beginning till the mid seventies was a very exclusive establishment, exclusively for people of the highest welfare class. In addition to jewelry, The House of ST. ELOY also traded in exclusive high-quality silver.
In 1924 the jewelry trading house registered an importer’s mark for silver & gold objects: A vd (conjoined) L3 + for A. van der Loo, Rotterdam, registered 1924-1953. In 1953- 2002 importer's mark; StE+ registered for; Het Huis van Sint Eloy and 1990-2002 maker’s mark; *StE*

In view of the jewelry study of the van der Loo family in Germany and Switzerland, they could have built up a trading relationship with the firm Pochon Frères & Co.
Perhaps in their early year The House of St. Eloy, as retailer marked imported (big) silver items with ST.ELOY ? NB. Fineness 830S is below legal minimum Dutch standard mark silver 833 fineness used 1814-1953.
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A five-part combined silver tea/coffee set The set German, maker's mark Het Huis van St. Eloy b.v., Rotterdam, serving tray Haarlem, 1948, A. Presburg Comprising a coffee pot, a teapot, a creamer, a sugar bowl and a serving tray. First and second grade silver, approx. gross weight 2373 grams H. 21 / 15.5 / 10 / 4.5 / L. 47.5 cm Provenance: - Auction Christie's Amsterdam, 6 December 1983, lot 609 - Private collection, The Netherlands (5x)

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Will try to contact The house of ST. ELOY and ask if it is correct.

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Koch & Bergfeld, Bremen, mark from c. 1870, retailer Sint Eloy
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Pair of silver cloches, made probably by Pochon Frères, retailer St Eloy

In the meantime, I had contact with Albert van der Loo, the grandson of the founder of Het Huis van St. Eloy, Albertus Eduard Maria van der Loo (1878-1960). According to Albert van der Loo, as he remembers, the St. Eloy mark was sometimes used before the Second World War. The jewelry store was aimed at the top level from the start, before WW-2 it was located on the Blaak in Rotterdam, then on the Lijnbaan, in recent years in Hillegersberg, until 2002.
He was surprised that the St. Eloy mark appeared in combination with pseudo-marks and with the maker's mark of Begeer. Certainly, it is possible that his grandfather used it as a (un-registered) retail mark and as such took responsibility for the quality and content of the silverware. Before it could be sold publicly in a shop or auction, it usually had to be taken to assay office. Where it was not fully tested but after inspection and payment of tax, it was stamped with the letter V for Foreign. The pre-war years and crisis years were not easy years, many lost their wealth and often the silverware was sold first. Even then, refugees from Belgium and other countries that were involved in the First World War and period prior to World War II came to the Netherlands.
Silver is pawned and sold to pawn shops and silver houses. They sometimes pay less than the silver price because they take risks. It is very attractive to buy high-quality silverware, without labor costs, for less than the silver price. Still not being able to resell, melting it down also yields enough.
As far as I know, the St. Eloy mark has never been forged and the stamp seems to be expertly "cut".
The House of St. Eloy registered the importer's mark StE+ in 1953

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