Kokosnik 875

[amena]

There is a shovel up for auction dated to the 1910s with the Fabergé mark and the kokoshnik with 875. I believe it is fake.

I searched the list
https://www.925-1000.com/Frussia_kokoshnik_01.html
to find out when the kokoshnik with 875 instead of 84 began, but I could not find the answer.
Can anyone tell me when it began?
Thanks for attention
Amena

[Qrt.S]

Are you serious? Clean the mark and take a closer look!

[Qrt.S]

Here a little help:
The kokshnik mark with promille is in use according to a new edict (1152) dated 2.10.1992 in current (new) Russia. The old kokshnik marks fineness was expressed in zolotnikis not promille! The promille value punch was implemented in July 23rd 1927 showing also a worker´s head with a hammer. The company FABERGÉ ceased to exist just before the October revolution in 1917. Carl Fabergé died 24.9.1920.
Stick to what you believe!

[amena]

Hi Qrt.S
Unfortunately I can't clean the marks or even look at it more closely because I don't have the item and this is the only photo I have.
As far as I can see, the mark in the barrel outline looks like a kokoshnik with 875 next to it.
The question I didn't find an answer to on the 925-1000 listing is:
Does such a hallmark exist? If so, from what date was it used?
Thanks in advance
Amena

[amena]

Hi
only after posting my previous message did I read your second post which answers exactly what I wanted to know.
I never thought the piece could be an authentic Fabergé
Thanks for the clarification
Regards
Amena

[Mart]

Hello!
The brand "875" is not Russian. This is a Latvian brand.

[Qrt.S]

@Mart
Yes I thought about that, but Fabergé in Latvia ??? Moreover, This Latvian Milda (not a kokoshnik mark) mark in promille on silver was used not earlier than in 1922-1940.

@Amena
This ugly cake server is what it is. Just turn your back to it and forget it.

A general remark:
I never will understand, why questioners have not cleaned the marks and polished an object in general before showing it in public. It is often very difficult to assess and say something from a lousy picture with a unpolished "dirty" object.

[Mart]

These brands "84" (it is erased on the product) and "875" are not related to each other. They are delivered at different times. There are many Russian silver products on which these two samples stand side by side. This is the legalization of 84 silver samples in the new measurement system at a later time. Or the fact that the silver product is foreign. Often there is also a letter "Р" next to it, indicating that a restoration has been done.
Faberge:

[oel]

So to me, looking at Mart's images, it appears to be a genuine Fabergé cake server or...?

Peter.

[Qrt.S]

In my eyes it is still a fake or shall we say a "copy" if that sounds better. Anyway, I don't buy Mart's explanation. It could be valid regarding some another Russian objects but not for this. Moreover, if you compare the photo with the picture, you see that the blade is not engraved, the outlook of the socket and the attachment of the shaft to the blade..., the strange markings etc... I have never seen a genuine Faberge made objects with such or similar markings, never! I can understand a remarking but removing marks??? Over stamping happens but that is another story. This or that, this case is a matter of opinion. Opinions can be discussed and can also vary.
Nothing more to say.