Silver marks? Help, thx

[Hugenin]

This marks are in antique ostensoir..

Perhaps "favier freres, Lyon"
Perhaps silver with gold

Really, i dont know.

Thx

[dognose]

Hi,

Welcome to the Forum.

A close-up image of the marks is required.

Trev.

[Hugenin]

[Hugenin]

[Hugenin]

[oel]

Hi Hugenin,

Your images are very unclear, try to make the images with a modern smart phone, or a good digital camera with a macro function. The Macro mode is a setting on your camera that you can use to take close-up pictures of small objects such as insects or silver marks.
Peter

[Hugenin]

believe me,
it's the best I can do.

[JayT]

Hello
If you think the maker is Favier, please use the search function for info. I can’t confirm this attribution because as @oel says, the photos are illegible.
Regards.

[Aguest]

::::::: I feel as if I should know this, but what does the circular hallmark of a woman facing left signify? :::: Can that hallmark be identified? :::::

[oel]

Head of Ceres to left in a round frame. Excise mark for large silver items, accompanied the standard hallmarks to confirm payment of duty. Paris, 1819 - 1838. The other unclear hallmark probably Head of Raphael to left in an oval frame, 2nd standard silver (800/1000). Paris , 1819 - 1838.

Peter

Source: Michael Fieggen, French Precious Metal Hallmarks from 1789 to date, page 43 # 99, # 96.

[Hugenin]

Very very THX!
New year and new photos...

Named "1 lower"

[Hugenin]

Named "2 lower"

[Hugenin]

"3 top, front"

[Hugenin]

"4 top, front"


"4 top, back"

[Hugenin]

"5 top, front"


"5 top, back"


"6 Medium , front&back"
is it a nut? (nut and bolt)


The top Part

[oel]

Your Silver monstrance, I believe has not a nut and bolt but it is a Christian symbol, the cross.
https://www.wikiwand.com/nl/articles/Kr ... s_p_81.jpg

Peter.

[Hugenin]

Thx oel Peter.
1 lower..... Ceres

...and

3 top...... Large bigorne
2 lower??
*See photo above

1819 - 1838
A third general inventory became effective by Royal ordinances of 22 October 1817 and 1 July 1818 and the different hallmarks remained in use from 16 August till 9 May 1838. This inventory introduced a new mark, the bigorne or countermark.

Large Bigorne (Paris) Large Bigorne (Departments)
1819 - 1838: large articles Paris and Departments guarantee mark fineness 800/1000 .
https://www.silvercollection.it/MASSART ... MODBIS.jpg

[Hugenin]

3 top...... Large bigorne

Photo
Library hallmarks
Mix
Mine

[dinio]

Hi,

The hallmakrs clearly identify a 800/1000 silver monstrance made in Paris (not in Lyon) between 1819 and 1838. These hallmarks are punched according to the french regulations for what concern their location and their countermarking. So there is no doubt about this part of the identification.

It is a bit different for the maker identification. Firstly you should have a look at the following: https://www.silvercollection.it/ASCASFAVIERING.html and more specifically the Favier family tree.

Despite the difficulty to read the maker's mark on the photos I think that there is no exact match with the same font. It is also strange that the mark with the full name FAVIER was entered in 1846 by Pierre-Henri Favier which is much later than the making date. Could it be another maker ?

Hope it helps.
Dinio

[oel]

Hi Dinio, it has been a long time, welcome back to the forum.
Peter.