Art Nouveau Flatware Service

[micadee0109]

I have a silverplated art nouveau flatware service that my long-deceased grandmother brought back from Europe in 1918. Despite extensive research, the maker's mark is still unknown to me. It's a very small mark that I can discern only with a jeweler's glass.

The mark consists of a square cartouche. In it are:

S / a five-pointed star / F

Below that are a series of three five-pointed stars identical to the one between the S and F; one star directly below the S, the star, and the F.

Opposite the cartouche is a number. The larger pieces have the number 84, the teaspoons have the number 18, and the smaller items (fish forks, butter knives, etc) have the number 8.

The marks are on the front of each piece; on the blade of the knives, inside the bowl of the spoons, and directly below the bifurcation of the fork tines.

Any help would be immensely appreciated.

Thank you.
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[admin]

Hi,
Don't know the maker's mark, but from your description the marks sound like French silverplate stamps. There are some examples at the bottom of this page -> French Hallmarks
The "84" indicates the thickness of the plating and this post does a good job of explaining it.
http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7214" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Regards, Tom
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[Bahner]

Hello, Saglier Frères (Brothers Saglier) from Paris used a mark which fits Your description. A pic might tell for sure ... Best wishes, Bahner
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[micadee0109]

Logging on and finding these replies is pure serendipity. I'll try photographing the mark and posting. Thank you so much!
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[frenchieny]

Assuming the identification is correct, here is an example of the hallmark for Saglier et Frères, Paris:
http://picasaweb.google.com/frenchieny/ ... 5169946322" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And here is the napkin ring it came from, before cleaning for "rust":
http://picasaweb.google.com/frenchieny/ ... 0621623042" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I'd assume that this is silver-plate, as there is no tete de minerve indicating French silver.

Hope this helps somebody.

And if anybody knows anything else about this firm, I would love to know. Thanks!
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[justinherman97]

The mark on the napkin ring is Saglier Freres. Originally the firm of Victor Saglier in Paris, from 1870s to 1894. In 1894, his two sons took over the company and renamed it Saglier Freres. They operated until the 1920s, after which the firm was run, I believe, by a successor until 1947.

Bahner, I want to extend a belated Thank You! Your reply to the initial post solved the mystery. It has been so long since that post that I'd forgotten my user name, let alone where the post was. Now I see the Saglier Freres mark seemingly everywhere.