Austrian Judaica - Please help with marks

[pbp33411]

This item is probably an item of Judaica - a scroll holder about 36cm long.

The scroll is missing.

The following marks appear at various places.




I recognize the first mark as Austria-Hungary 1886-1922. The letter at the right of the face appears to be 'A', and the digit at the left is probably a 3. It is, then very much like the mark on the 925-1000 "foreign marks" page. I apologize for the poor focus.

The second mark has the initials "J.V". I don't know what to make of the third mark. The letter "A" is quite clear, but the rest is unintelligible to me.

I know that this piece is supposed to be silver, but it has a very brass-like appearance. It doesn't look like 800 silver to me (as the 3 in the first mark would indicate), but I'm really not sure. Would it have marks like this if it were not silver?

There may be a mark "D" and another "A", but they are extremely difficult to photograph.

Can anyone help?

[kerangoumar]

hello

this is definitely silver that would benefit from a loving hand - gentle cleaning and buffing with a soft flannel.

the third mark is for hungary 1866-1937, so you know that it was made before 1922 in hungary by J. V.- i don't have any of my books at hand and so cannot tell you any more.

please post another picture when it has been cleaned. (i would use a baby's toothbrush, very gently, around the top)

[blakstone]

Austria-Hungary 1866-1922 is correct; in both marks, A=Vienna and 3=3rd standard (.800) silver. "JV" is the firm of [Ladislaus] Jarosinski & [Jean] Vaugoin, founded in Vienna 1878 and still in existence.

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[pbp33411]

Thank you for your help. The scroll holder is now much cleaner. There is some black accumulation in crevices that I cannot remove, and I don't want to get too aggressive so it will have to remain.

I have two questions.

1. The interior surfaces, the "crowns" on each end, and the incised pattern on the barrel of the scroll appear quite "brassy". Could there be a gold flash on this object? That would explain to me the Vienna mark indicating Silver 800.

2. Blakstone, you indicate that Jarosinski & Vaugoin are still in business. Are you in Austria? Do you know the nature of their business these days?

[admin]

Blakstone, you indicate that Jarosinski & Vaugoin are still in business. Are you in Austria? Do you know the nature of their business these days?

Click on the link in blakstone's posting to visit them.

The yellow parts would be gold plated.

[pbp33411]

Thank you, Admin.