Silver beaker

eva · Post by **eva** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:27 pm

Hello. Could anyone please help to identify the marks . Any information on the piece would be appreciated as well. Thank you for your time.

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JAKJO · Post by **JAKJO** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:28 am

Your beaker is made in Bergen, Norway between 21.1--18.2 1816.

Hope this helps!

Hose_dk · Post by **Hose_dk** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:07 am

Bergen yes, and tax mark aqarious for those dates. - the 2 marks at the left.
Center AB is Andreas NÃ¦s Beeder 1799 to 1847 - makers mark.
B ower W is wardein Peter Michael Blytt 1812 to 1821 so dating has been narrowed.
But we have 16 for 1816.

Hose_dk · Post by **Hose_dk** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:09 am

And please - polish it looks like hell :-(

eva · Post by **eva** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:14 am

You have been very help full,Thank you for your time. An Elder said to me polish just a liltte bit for the color that come a gold to black is good.(pateina) yes I have been very careful when polishing.(maybe to much)have a great day. P S Would this have been used as a drinking cup.

Hose_dk · Post by **Hose_dk** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:31 am

This should shine - it is not gold un the outside - perhabs a ring is guilded but it is silver - and you cannot polish it to much. It can be guilded inside and then be carefull - it should last for many years. It should shine - ment to shine and to tell how rich the owner was. You only remove dirt and you cannot remove toi much dirt.
The black in the ornamentation does not disapear by polish it will remain. But I would also remove that because this is silver of a high standard. And for 200 years it has ment to shine - so get a cloth - an old diper used by your children and washed a million times is perfect.

But only polish by hand no mashinery - because that is killing good old items.
Congratulation with it. I envy you.

Is it gold inside - then hot water - diswasher fluid (not for mashine wash - that kills too) but for hand wash. Let it stay in the hot waster use a toothbrush (again NO mashine brusch) only handwork - and old worn out toothbrush is perfect. Old and worn out - I am serious both diper and toothbrush.

Hose_dk · Post by **Hose_dk** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:07 am

A brusch for rouge - and old one is also good. Dont know UK word - but for powder.
You place a rubber (gum elastic) around the hair - almost at the end of it. Then the fine soft hair get pressed together and become less elastic. The fine hair can get into every little ornament and clean it.

Puh that was difficult to try to explain - you proberly dont understand what I mean. Maby some one can assist.

eva · Post by **eva** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:48 am

Hose thank You so very much for your time. I do get what you say and it is great I did not think of this! I have used a 75.00 make up brush for many years on picters ect to clean but did not think of silver! I will be shineing to day! Do you think it was used for drinking? On the side some one put H L O 1836.The cup was in sweden for many years. If the childen are not good then the items will go back to there home Land! I try! Have a great day you are very help full. Thank you Eva.

eva · Post by **eva** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:05 am

No gold. .when clean after time all the items have a gold luster befor going all most black with the older items I fined. can you tell me any thing about what is hang from the item? thank you Eva PS have you see this befor?

Hose_dk · Post by **Hose_dk** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:22 am

well thats good.
My idea was a guild (i think that is the name)
With guild I mean a cup - welcome to share a dring in a association af people. Could be carpenters, merchants, shoomakers etc.The old organisation of the various trades.
Then every piece hanging is set there when a person became member (i.e. when he got his citienship and became an independent with his own hosehould with people employed)

But yes it is for drinking of. Is it 6 cm high approx - it is for snaps (liquer) is it approx 15 cm it is for beer.

JAKJO · Post by **JAKJO** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:23 am

I found a good database The Norwegian Museum of Cultural History
http://www.primusweb.no" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Search Â«beaker silverÂ» = SÃ¸k pÃ¥ Â«beger sÃ¸lvÂ»

And an example:
http://www.primusweb.no/artifactView.do ... =beger%20s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Ã¸lv&objectType=&onlyWithPictures=true

Hope this helps!
Best regards/JAKJO

JAKJO · Post by **JAKJO** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:25 am

This type of beaker is called a Hanseatic beaker hanseaterbeger in Norwegian and its form is derived from beakers used in the hanseatic towns in northern Germany. The town Bergen was a member of the Hanseatic league.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The goldsmiths in the town provided the market of wealthy peasants with this traditional beaker until the mid 19th century. It was a status object and an investment, a sort of show-off piece to boast about at the parties. It is also called raslebeger or rattle beaker, because of the rattling sound it makes, when drinking.

Literature: Per Terje Norheim: Norske sÃ¸lvbegre: Gullsmedkunst i 300 Ã¥r fra 1550-1850, Oslo 1997

Search google.com "hanseaterbeger"

eva · Post by **eva** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:06 am

The beaker is 15cm for beer the history is the fun part and she will shine!Thank you Hose. The links are great Jakjo it seem to me that it all fit in with the famly history I do feel very lucky to have the beaker hand down to me. the shine really is something I fall in love all over when i clean it. Thank for the tips. Eva