Candlestand 19h century

multiplequestions · Post by **multiplequestions** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:14 am

Hi,

I've got a pair of candlestands, I guess they date from 19th century. I also GUESS they are German or Austrian, but I don't know. I hardly know anything about them, but I'm quite sure they are silver. Has anybody any help concerning those hallmarks?

Thank you very much!

Post by **dognose** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:59 am

Hi,

Welcome to the Forum.

For a start, have you made a comparison to the marks on the German pages?
If not check here: http://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_marks_b1884.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trev.

multiplequestions · Post by **multiplequestions** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:11 am

Hi,

thanks! I did but I could not find a matching one. That animal mark seems to be a lion. There are lots of lions in German city marks but none exactly like this.

swisssilver · Post by **swisssilver** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:31 pm

hello,
not sure but
i found a mark like this in
Rosenberg, 1922, nr 1283 and nr 1286
its the city mark of Braunschweig,
and the B is the yearletter 1700 to 1722
greatings
Koen

JAKJO · Post by **JAKJO** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:10 pm

Hi,

Good job Swissilver!
I agree with you, in my opinion it is Braunschweig/Brunswick and mark 1286 (dated 1705) and the year letter "B" (dated 1700-1722).

And you Multipleqestions got a very nice pair of German baroque candelsticks. The type with the faceted socket above a knopped facetted baluster stem and the stepped octagonal foot is corresponding with the dating.

I am not able to help you with the master "IGR", but I hope someone else is.

Best regards/JAKJO

Hose_dk · Post by **Hose_dk** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:37 am

but the top - is that not after 1750?
I have no idea regarding marks - but the top?

multiplequestions · Post by **multiplequestions** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:50 am

Thanks a lot so far! The mark could also read IGB, it's not so well recognizable on the photo.

but the top - is that not after 1750?
I have no idea regarding marks - but the top?

Hi hose_dk: that is perfectly possible because the second candlestand goes without that top without having any traces of violation.

JAKJO · Post by **JAKJO** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:28 am

Hi,

I should have mentioned it, that the detachable nozzle, which stop the wax pouring down the stem of the candlestick, looks in my opinion to be at least a 100 years younger.

The nozzles became a regular feature by the 1740s and usually have the same decoration and conform in outline to the base of the candlestick.

Best regards/JAKJO

JAKJO · Post by **JAKJO** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:22 am

Hi again,

I am not an expert of heraldry, but to me it seems to be the armorial shield and crown of a count and the engraving seems to be contemporary with the candelsticks.

And the beforementioned referred mark

Best regards/JAKJO

multiplequestions · Post by **multiplequestions** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:10 pm

Great - thanks again, JAKJO. The marks look very similar to me, too.
How come you think the crest to be the crest of a count of all aristocrats? Sorry, I assuredly know less of heraldry than you.

Bahner · Post by **Bahner** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:56 pm

Hello, probably not Braunschweig. Spies does not document a maker’s mark like that for Braunschweig and the Baunschweig lion looked different at that time. I believe this to be the city mark of Hannover-Neustadt (they used a lion like that until 1824), the “B” would be the warden’s dateletter for 1726, IGR would be Johann Georg Renner, active there since ca. 1692, d. before June 12th, 1731. The dates seem to fit. Best wishes, Bahner

multiplequestions · Post by **multiplequestions** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:58 pm

.. keeps on being suspenseful, then. But the Braunschweig city mark looks very alike, too, doesn't it?

IGR would be Johann Georg Renner

I will try to find out something about him. Is it sure that he had IGR as a mark?

Thanks!

Theoderich · Post by **Theoderich** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:45 am

Bahner wrote:Hello, probably not Braunschweig. Spies does not document a maker’s mark like that for Braunschweig and the Baunschweig lion looked different at that time. I believe this to be the city mark of Hannover-Neustadt (they used a lion like that until 1824), the “B” would be the warden’s dateletter for 1726, IGR would be Johann Georg Renner, active there since ca. 1692, d. before June 12th, 1731. The dates seem to fit. Best wishes, Bahner

I am astonished - my first impression was - it is Braunschweig - like my spoon from ~1730
http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14012" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you are right - it should be given a reference in the Encyclopedia.

Theoderich · Post by **Theoderich** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:26 am

http://silberpunze.si.funpic.de/Punzen/ ... sicher.JPG" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

is this mark also Hannover-Neustadt?
(Neustadt am RÃ¼benberge)

Theoderich · Post by **Theoderich** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:52 am

Bruck "an der Mur" (Austria) (on the River Mur)
have similar Civic Arms

my mark was from Bruck on the Mur
http://silberpunze.si.funpic.de/WFELS/B ... ich%29.JPG" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Boettcher Kunsthandel · Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:32 am

Hello,

these candlesticks are about 1700 and made in Hannover from Johann Georg Renner.