Small cup various marks H, 39, and more

[jimbucks]

I would be very appreciative if someone could help me identify this object and the marks. I am pretty sure it is Scandinavian.


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[JAKJO]

Hi jimbucks and welcome to the forum,

Your Norwegian silver tumbler was made in Bergen in November 1839.

The maker and the wardein are unknown to me.

Hope this helps,

Best regards/JAKJO

[jimbucks]

Thanks. Maybe another user will be able to identify the makers' marks.

[Hose_dk]

H is wardein and his name is Chistern Hoff active 1821 to 1860
He has set 2 marks because the H over w is also his mark. Why 2 marks - no idea.
Regarding maker - center mark - try to write the 2 letters then I can look again.

[Hose_dk]

sorry H over w is in fact 11 over M
then it is monthmark.

[jimbucks]

The center mark looks like RH

[Hose_dk]

I read it as RH too, but that is Rasmus Elias Hansen 1816 to 1825
And that cannot be correct because of year mark.

The migth use an older year mark. But to use a future one - no no no

[jimbucks]

Excuse my ignorance on the topic, but is it possible the RH was marked at the time of manufacture and the item later received the other marks as a type of "verification" at a later date -- perhaps the item had the RH mark and sat in "inventory"?

Sorry if my conjecture is impractical -- just a thought. I am not experienced in this type of article.

I appreciate all info on this particular item -- it is now more interesting to me because my ancestors lived in Bergen Norway in 1839!

[jimbucks]

Here is a sharper picture and shows all the marks very well

[Hose_dk]

yes possible - dont know.
In my book city mark is labeled Christian Børs 1848 - so that makes it even worse.
Monthmark is a tax mark. Saying tha tax was paid.

Could somone else comment opon this??

[jimbucks]

Another crazy idea, but could this be from 1739 instead of 1839?
Again, excuse my ignorance on the topic.

[2209patrick]

Hello.

The date could not be 1739 because , at that time, Norway was still united with Denmark.
Danish regulations were enforced.

The H is the assayer mark of Christen Hoff ( 1821-1860).



Pat.

[JAKJO]

Hi,

Could the maker's mark be RAI for Rasmus Anders Iwersen d.e. active in Bergen in 1835?
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The word in Norwegian for this small cup or tumbler is tumling.
Best regards/JAKJO

[Hose_dk]

well ??


And please polist the tumbler.

And then it strikes me - is RH upside down???

[Tosten]

Hello
I am sure that it is right that the wardein is Christen Hoff 1821-1860 and the mark is Rasmus Elias Hansen 1789-1825. His widow went on with the workshop until ca. 1855 and used his mark.
Regards Tosten

[jimbucks]

Thanks to everyone for identifying this piece for me. With respect to cleaning, I would think removing the 170 year old patina is NOT desirable. I have only used soap/water and acetone to remove surface debris.