Help needed

Postnikov · Post by **Postnikov** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:53 am

I got 2 cigarette cases by the same maker in Trompe lÂ´oeil optic.
Unknown (for me ) assaymaster IE, 1871, St. Petersburg. Master KW
I can not find anything who he could be. Some knowing person speculated about the WÃ¤keva -family (several smiths of this family worked for FabergÃ©) but there is very little known - I have a large silvervase by FabergÃ©, signed WK, but in an other fond than the cigarette cases.

Any help appreciated
Regards
Postnicov
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Qrt.S · Post by **Qrt.S** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:26 pm

Hi,
The assayer is Ivan Vonif. Yevstigneev 1870-1891 in StP and the master is Karl (Carl) Werlin 1868-1874.

The master who worked for FabergÃ© was Stephan WÃ¤kevÃ¤ also Konstantin WÃ¤kevÃ¤ did it, but his mark is totally different, no shield.

Cannot find any known master with WK who worked with FabergÃ©. However, I have a few WKs but the are far to old to fit your WK.
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Qrt.S · Post by **Qrt.S** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:17 pm

DONG! Suddenly it caught my mind that are the initials really WK and not WR? That could be Wilhelm Reimer. He worked with FabergÃ©. K and R are very similar, and a badly struck W.R ...? Reimer's cartuche is rectangular with lightly rounder corners.

On the other hand, Reimer was mostly a GOLDsmith as well as he made enamel and jewelry too, but very little silver if at all.

Just a tought, but?
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Postnikov · Post by **Postnikov** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:21 pm

HI -
thank you very much for the assay master but for Karl Werlin I have a different puch in a different cigarette case, looking like:

Do you have a foto of the mark KW (lat.) of Karl Werlin in your sources? If yes, can I have a copy?

Here is the Konstantin WÃ¤keva mark just for comparison:

Thank you very much for your help!
Regards
Postnikov
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Postnikov · Post by **Postnikov** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:32 pm

Hi -
as much as I would like the idea of W. Reimer - all the punches are very clear (2 cases, 4 marks) - there is really no doubt! It is KW!
If it is Karl Werlin I am a little sceptical - until I see a foto or scan of this mark. In my sources Werlin had only one mark, but you learn every day.

Regards
Postnikov
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Qrt.S · Post by **Qrt.S** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:07 pm

Your'e a lucky man today. Members of the foreign guild in StP usually used Latin letters. I have earlier stated that Postnikova is good but not perfect. I'm not fully convinced that the shown KB is Werlin, of course could be, but...

What a pity that my DONG! didn't pay back. Well it was anyway a nice try, wasn't it?
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Qrt.S · Post by **Qrt.S** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:25 pm

By the way, like to see your mark KB. Is it K.B or K.B. or KB or KÂ·B, or ? There are several alternatives.
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Postnikov · Post by **Postnikov** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:09 pm

HI -
the KB is like my scan above!

Regards
Postnikov
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