Please help to identify the teaspoon

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glenna
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Please help to identify the teaspoon

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Hello

I am trying to get more information on this Аrt Nouveau(?) Russian teaspoon with twisted stem and feather shaped handle.
It bears 4 marks: 2 inside the bowl and 2 (of almost the same look) on the steem.
1) oval form assayer's mark indicated silver content 84 mark, woman's head wearing kokoshnik to the left, A C assayer's name (vertically, no dots between signs).
The mark looks like A. Solodilov's (Kostroma assayer's mark) around 1899-1908.
Am I correct?
2) maker's mark AIM - I have not managed to find any information about.
Possibly(?) there is some relation with of unknown Kostroma's ИIM maker?

I am not sure if everything is correct with these marks.
Do they correspond to the spoon style of that period?
Is this kind of style used at that time and was it usual or not?

May be the spoon is simply a "novodel" = fake?
Please, help to find out.

Your expert knowledge and professional opinion wouild be highly appreciated.

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Re: Please help to identify the teaspoon

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Hello »glenna«

Do you see yours images just now?

There is nothing to see - also not by right click function.

Please use, before you »Submit« again, the »Preview« function. If you don't see yours images in the »Preview«; then there is some thing wrong on yours side - then please don't »Submit« until the images are all really visible for you in the »Preview« function!

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Re: Please help to identify the teaspoon

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Hi -
unfortunately your pics are not showing - but your description is so perfect that I can help you without photos:

Silvercontent 84 Zolotniki = 875/1000. Assaymaster AC = Kostroma, A. Solodilov, 1899-1905 on duty, maker´s mark AIM = Muraschkin Alekseij Ivanov, known spoon maker (mocca).
The spoon is 100% authentic and in the style of the time = Kostroma = Islam = oriental taste.

Here are 6 spoons from the same master, assayer etc.

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Many thanks for your help!
To Postnikov for spoon origin verification and to Admin for "showing pictures".
Really sorry for pics, but, honestly, I do not know what I've done wrong.
It's already a second time when I put the pictures and they are not showing:((

Thanks again.
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Hi Glenna,

I altered your images coding tags from [/img] to [/url] so that it at least provides a link to your photos. I'm not that computer literate but I guess your problem may be that you are not posting the images as jpeg's.

Regards Trev.
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Re: Please help to identify the teaspoon

Post by glenna »

Just wondering: why the design calls Kashmir, what is so asian ="islamic" about it's feather-shaped handle?
Don't know why, but, on my opinin, the feathers, like flowers more corresponds to "Siver Modernism" (art noveau) style.
May be I am wrong in my suggestions...
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Re: Please help to identify the teaspoon

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Hi all.
I will add ))))
I think, more similar master Alexandra Ivanovna Malysheva ("AIM") (woman). Village Mitrikovo, Kostroma province. It is mentioned in 1898.
Round the town of Kostroma there were many villages. In these villages almost in each house there was a workshop, where all family worked. Did household small subjects, cheap jewels and etc. It not traditions of ISLAM. Original Russian villages. Deep orthodox roots. Kostroma is located between Moscow and Vologda. Near to the town of Yaroslavl. An old russian town.

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glenna
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Re: Please help to identify the teaspoon

Post by glenna »

Hello, Dad.

What an interesting suggestion on AIM spoon master!
Somehow, I had a haunting feeling that this object is poetic and feminine in some way.
Do you have any pictures of Малышева's work and their original marks?
Could you please, show them here?

Thank you.
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Re: Please help to identify the teaspoon

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Hi glenna -
who calls this design "Kashmir"(India) or asian? When I wrote : islamic, oriental, I refered to the style, which is not typical Russian. Maybe you have a look at "Russian" spoons...

Hi Dad -
I still believe it was made by Muraschkin A. I., because assayer A. Solodilov was only in the years 1899-1905 on duty, Malyschewa A. I. is known for the year 1898 (as you mentioned) only - one year earlyer than the assayer started assaying! Details, details!
The spoons were not made for the local market in Mitrikovo only...They were delivered to Georgia, Caucasus, etc. also - mostly Muslims.

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Hi everybody,
Yes I also think it is Alekseij Ivanov Murashkin. He marked AIM (just a guess good as any other :-))))). Anyway, the assayer AC is Aleksandr Nikolajevitsh Snarskij 1900-19011 in Kostroma or Snarsky if you prefer it that way. He was the head master of the district. Postnikova's "A.Solodilov" # 3875 is most likely a mistake.....again! Cannot find this "assayer" mentioned anywhere else.
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Re: Please help to identify the teaspoon

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Hi Dad -
oh yes, please show us some more poetic and feminine Russian spoons from this region! And please explain the social stucture (equal rights etc.) and rank of the Russian women in the years 1888-1905. Please! You as a Russian must know.

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Re: Please help to identify the teaspoon

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to Postnikov:

Sorry for mistake (Kashmir).

I do know that "It's a men's world",
especially in Russia, either in 19th centure or in soviet times or now.

Dad had only made a suggestion that it could be Malisheva's work. He have not insist on fis opinion, either did I.
But your irony that more close to "сарказм" sounds a little bit "rude", don't you think?

It is definately, the men's world here.
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Re: Please help to identify the teaspoon

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Hi glenna -

if I hurt your feelings - I apologise!

But if you speak about poetic and feminin Russian spoons I do not know if I should lough or cry.
If an everage woman/man at that time owned an aluminium spoon and a tin plate for her/his own, she/he was the exeption (nobles and rich excluded). Silver spoons? No way. And if a Russian man hear, that you call the spoon, he stir his mocca with, is feminin.....for example in the Caucasus region...

Sorry again, but I still have to lough ( not sarcatic, more a feminin giggle..)

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Re: Please help to identify the teaspoon

Post by Dad »

Hi Glenna, Hi all.

Unfortunately, romantic spirit isn't present. It is an arduous toil for life continuation. Worked all both old men and children. Plus was a kitchen garden (garden). I repeat, products weren't highly artistic subjects. It was craft. Worked for large sellers, usually.
Now about difficult destiny of the woman in imperial Russia. Yes, in 19 century, as well as everywhere, the purpose of the woman: «Kinder, Küche, Kirche» ( isn't it, Postnikov, or you not the German?)
But sometimes the woman had to take a leading role in a family to survive. A role of the Man. I can assume that Aleksandra Malysheva's husband has died and she has continued family business under the mark of herself.
Products with her mark (spoons for coffee, fork for a lemon) are in a museum of the city of Kostroma.

For Qrt.S & Postnikov:
Why I have specified in Malysheva?
A.I.Murashkina's products are mentioned in «last quarter of 19 centuries». It is the period 1875-1900. Exact date isn't present. Can you know?
A.I.Malysheva is registered in 1898. I do not think that it is last year of her works. Her mark is identical to mark on spoons of the author of a theme.

For Postnikov:

I thank Russian women — they have won in WWII.

Best reg.
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