PLEASE HELP ME TO IDENTIFY THIS OBJECT

[gerald535]

dear sir and madam,

i have a very small idea that this object is frome france. is it true? please give me all u known information about this object. it's tested silver.

thank u a lot




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[Qrt.S]

No, it does not come from France but from the former Soviet Union USSR. It is not in silver but in an nickel /silver alloy ( 70/30?) called ЮММЕТ i,e, "Jummet", Juvelirnaja metal and most obviously also electro plated. On the last picture you can see the text ЮММЕТ punched on the basket. On the other pictures is the price marked 21p 00 k (21 Rubles and 00 Kopek). This was typical for objects sold in USSR. It is made after WWII.

Have a nice evening.

Qrt.S

[gerald535]

thanks for the fast detailed information. the silverpart in the alloy is real silver? (or is it related to in german: neusilber-(Kupfer-Nickel-Zink)) because the silvertest (above a trimmed arrea) shows darkred colour. may be you have any source (website) where is an explanation about ЮММЕТ? (i not found) from where u know about this)(but all information from u very logical with the pics). and the nickel /silver alloy ( 70/30?) how sure is this information. can anyway prove (alloy) with the silvertest or have similiar items to compare? (maybe u have an item in your property)
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thanks and regards

[Qrt.S]

I've read in books and heard it also from other persons involved with these matters. I don't remember anymore it what book, I have too many :-))))). Yes, it has similarities to the German silver/alpaca alloys as you mentioned. It is a Soviet invention and often used as a base metal for electroplated objects. Maybe you have seen those Soviet tea glass holders in filigree as well as those small enameled salt cellars with a glass bowl inside? They are made of the same alloy and marked ЮММЕТ.
The content of the alloy is not 100% sure but it is claimed that a part of it would be silver the rest nickel or ? I cannot neither verify it nor show you any links probably because there are none at least I haven't managed to find any information. Therefore I stated 70/30 with "?".


The silver test with acid is not always fully reliable. When an item is electroplated the coat is 100% silver. You have to scratch very deep and through the silver coat to reach the base metal and that might damage the object. Moreover, when the base metal probably also contents silver the test might give a positive but incorrect silver result. What is absolutely sure is that your filigree basket is not silver but what the "jummet-alloy" is made of is not 100% sure most likely what I told you or very close to it.

[Dad]

Hi, All.

"ЮММЕТ" it's compound mark. It consists of two parts:
- "ЮМ" it's mark of jeweler factory of the town of Mstera (Мстера). Mstera it is the well-known center of art national creativity.
- «МЕТ» it's mark for a designation not a silver alloy (simple metal). Usually it is a Neusilber (Cu, Ni, Zn) or Melkchior(cupronickel) (Cu, Ni). A galvanic silverplate.

Best Reg..

[Qrt.S]

Interesting information from Dad. It is the first time I hear that somebody is explaining the content of this a little mysterious "ЮММЕТ" alloy. It is as well the first time I hear that "ЮММЕТ" would mean something else than "juvelirnaja metal" but everything is possible. Where does this information come from?

What is also interesting that ЮМ would mean a factory's name. A quick check showed that a factory 0ЮМ-9ЮМ by the name of Хуложественная Фабрнка "Юиелир" г. Мстера or Завод "Юиелир" г. Мстера (Jewelery factory "Jewel" in Mstera) really existed 1970-1979 in USSR.

If that is the case, why did this factory not use its name as registered all over i.e. 0ЮМ-9ЮМ but ""ЮММЕТ" instead and why is this "ЮММЕТ" not registered as a factory name in any catalogs? Mind my saying but I still think that "ЮММЕТ" is the name of the alloy and not the factory. However, it is possible that it could be the factory's name after all because sometimes you might find a figure in front of "ЮММЕТ" like this "5ЮММЕТ". That would be the year 1975, or?

A silver test also shows that some objects are electroplated with silver but not all.

What's the case Dad? Any knowledge? All additional information would be appreciated, thank you.

Rgds
Qrt.S