To, from Crests

[oel]

Hi All,


Introduction; I received a big table snuff box, bought at auction in Kilkenny Ireland. The box has been made in Amsterdam, last quarter 18th century. I thought I should be able to read the Crests shown. However, after one day of searching; Kearsley’s complete peerage of England, Scotland and Ireland and Elven’s Heraldry. I must admit defeat and shamefully have to admit; I could not find a positive match, not even for one of the 4 Crests found on my box. So, here I am with my request for assistance.
Regarding the book Elven’s Heraldry; page 33 number 19 for ‘Van de put’, perhaps for #1 crest on my box?
Page 49, number 24 for ‘Silver’, perhaps for # 3 crest on my box or page 58 number 39 for 'Nash'?
For the second Crest on my box, the two Antelopes with their horns entangled no match what so ever, and for the last Crest, the Lion behind a fence, nothing. I need a stiff G&T
I would appreciate your assistance, thanks in advance.Last question did the first two Crests shown, received the box ‘from’ the last two Crests shown or did all for Crests presented the box? I need a stiff G&T

Regards,

Oel

[nobilityhouse]

Using Fairbain’s Crests we have:
Wilmer of Rayton: An eagle's head Or, between two wings expanded Vair.
Gossip of Hatfield and Thorp Arch: Two goats' heads erased and addorsed, the dexter Azure, the sinister Argent.
From:
Rodes: A cubit arm holding in the hand an oak-branch fructed, all proper.
Reaston: A demi-lion proper, collared Or, holding between the paws a spear of the last, headed proper, therefrom a banner Gules, charged with a cinquefoil of the second, and supporting a rudder Azure.

These four families are quite tangled and only Burke’s Genealogy can sort them out. The Wilmer-Gossip families of Hatfield and Thorp Arch were combined and became the Hatfields of Thorp Arch.

The Reaston-Rodes families of Barlborough Hall have their own assumed surnames to contend with. In short, this may be a gift to the family of Anna-Maria-Harriet, daughter of William Gossip of Hatfield, from the family of Rev. Cornelius Heathcote Reaston-Rodes upon their marriage 18 June 1825.

There may be other marriages than the one I’ve found. But this may help with further research. Go ahead with your G&T, we have planted a lime tree for just such emergencies.

[oel]

Hello Nobilityhouse,

First let me apologize for overlooking your reply. Secondly thank you very much for the most adequately reply. Much appreciated. Yes, now I can see clearly; first crest Eagle’s head not a Phoenix head. 2nd crest two goats’ heads not Antelopes. 3rd oak branch and last but not least a rudder (flat plane surface hinged) not a fence!
The tobacco box has been made in Amsterdam date letter for 1772 and carries no British hallmarks or import marks and is of 2nd Amsterdam standard of .833 fineness. The tobacco box has been bought at auction in Ireland but is clearly below sterling; however the required use of import marks to be stamped on foreign made silver was instituted in 1867. Ergo the tobacco box could have been imported to perhaps Ireland prior 1867 or has been bought in Amsterdam at a later stage and brought to U.K/Ireland and the family crests could be a later adition.
The stiff G&T’s have to wait till coming Tuesday but I will drink to your health. Prospice,respice

Cheers,

Oel