Id hallmarks before XVIIIC (German?)

[M.Olag]

Hi!
I will appreciate if anybody can id these marks.
It is an authentic silver piece , probably German, made before XVIII century.

P.S. I'm sorry for single picture. I can't post any more, because owner of this plate doesn't let me post full view.

[oel]

Hi Olag,

Hello,

Welcome to the forum.

Yes, I believe German assay mark; 12 above Z for the city of Zittau in Saxony date used 1731.
The 12 stands for 12 Lot=.750 or 75% fine silver.
The maker's mark M.O
The zig zag mark has been made by assayer who removed some silver for an assay test. See;
http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic ... zag#p13635" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"
For the information see Marc Rosenberg LF#4965
http://diglit.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/digl ... 8deae9ca94" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"

Regards,

Oel

[M.Olag]

Oel!
You brought joy to my soul!
I have read "Der Goldschmiede Merkzeichen..." of 1922 without any success =)
Big Russian thanks to you for the link and the source, they make my happy!

[Theoderich]

now the problem is, that Rosenberg have no makersmarks

I have a little list with some makers from Zittau
there was a master Martin Ortscheid (He made his masterly piece in 1701)
so I think the time 1710 - 1740 is a realistic estimate

is there a engraving?

[Theoderich]

Ref Gurlitt S.87
http://www.slub-dresden.de/sammlungen/d ... 6103afaad9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[JBA]

I would love to see the piece these marks are on!