Russian silver spoon identification please?

[SILVIYA]

I have four of these spoons; I'll be thankfull if somebody can help me to identify them:

[Zolotnik]

Hi SILVYA -

your spoons were made in Moscow and assayed there by Ivan Lebedkin in the years 1899 - 1908. The maker MT is Tarasov Michail Jakovlewitsch 1905-1914. Silver content 84 Zolotniki = 875/1000

Regards
Zolotnik

[SILVIYA]

Thank you very much Zolotnik; and the Cyrilic letters on the front I perceive as ПВ - am I right?

[Zolotnik]

Hi SYLVIA -

the monogramm is a gothic letter (Latin) B. Answering your coming question, why a Latin letter on a Russian made spoon: there lived many non- Russsians in Russia who prefered Latin monogramms - Balts for example...

Regards
Zolotnik

[bernstein]

This spoon is fake Mikhail Tarasov. The kokoshinik mark is used in jewellry and cigarette case only.

[Qrt.S]

Please Bernstein, learn about Russian silver marks and marking and don't write nonsense. Start here: http://www.925-1000.com/Frussia.html

[bernstein]

Hi, Qrt.s,
If you have ASSAYING AND HALLMARKING IN RUSSIA 1700-1946 by INANOV A.N. Can you open it to page 279?
Houseware, i.e. precious articles used at home (samovars, dishes, vases, tea-kettles, coffeepots, cups, spoons of all kinds, salt-cellars, wine-glasses, etc.) as well as church utensiles (rizas, tabernacles, chalices, crosses, etc.) bore a large-size double together with a poincon 4x2 mm or 5x2.5mm.
Regards,
Lenny

[Qrt.S]

I have and I have many other books too. I strongly advice you to read the whole book and not only one this paragraph. I seems to me that you don't understand what you read.
End of discussion!

[bernstein]

Do you mean everything is possible? What about you think of this paragraph? Do you mean original documents are wrong?

[Qrt.S]

No but you are!

[oel]

Hi Bernstein,

Welcome to the forum.
Some words of advise; please do not use the word fake lightly or without any grounds. Do not play games.
Please read and understand:
http://www.925-1000.com/Frussia.html
If you have questions or need any help the forum contributors will assist.

Best,

Oel.

[bernstein]

Hi, Oel,
Thank you. I just want to get help on Ivanov's description on this spoon. Can you give me your answer?
Is Ivanov wrong?
Regards,
Lenny

[oel]

Hi Lenny,





Please enter the word ivanov in our advanced search facility (upper right corner of this page)
And read what has been written about Ivanov. I believe, after you have read the information about Ivanov, you can draw your own conclusion if Ivanov is always reliable or not.

Try to get a hold on the books; Золотое и серебряное дело XV-ХХ вв - M.M. Postnikova-Loseva. And World Hallmarks Europe 19th to 21st centuries for more information about the Russian hallmarking system.


Oel.

[bernstein]

Hi, Oel,
I already have Золотое и серебряное дело XV-ХХ вв - M.M. Postnikova-Loseva 1995 version in my hand.
I think original documents is helpful to me than books.
In china, we first will take a look on the silverwares, then how it is making, then sign of some details and the last is hallmarks. Everytime beautiful silverwares have authentic hallmarks. Only freshman tries to look hallmarks at first. Because they do not know much of russian silver.
China is the biggest neighbor and we do have authentic Faberge, Khlebnikov, Ovchinnikov, etc during the fall of Tsar and U.S.S.R.
Nice to communicate will fans out of China.
By the way, if you want to know much on fake, it is better to you to try to make a fake. You will get more and more during this process.
Regards.
Lenny

[Zolotnik]

Hi bernstein -
nothing against your valuable and extraordinary expertise about Russian silver and the marking of it - and your groundbreaking insights into it - we had to endure for the last days - but I suggest you better stay with your fortune cookie collection....

Regards
Zolotnik

[bernstein]

Hi, Zolotnik,
Nice to meet you in this forum. I searched amazon.de to find your books but failed. Can you tell me where can i buy your books?
Regards.
Lenny