Unknown Austria-Hungary town mark

[AG2012]

Salt cellar in Biedermeier style, unknown town mark; most probably Austria- Hungary; 13 Lot.
Sometimes I buy silver for the sake of research purposes. This mark is most probably Austria — Hungary. Have not seen it so far, not documented, either.Difficult to tell what is at the top,but very distinctive vertical lines.

[huszas76]

Dear AG1012,

it's a really interesting mark, unfortunately i haven't seen this before, or similar one either. I'd like to know if there is a makers' mark on it, and if there is, would it be possible to post it, it might help us to find the solution.

regards,

huszas76

[AG2012]

No maker`s mark in this one.Have seen Austrian- Hungary marks incorporating town mark and maker`s mark.This has to be provincial Hungary.
I do not remember if we discussed this one;must be Ujvidek but the dove is incorporated within maker`s mark; probably not to interfere with ``13``Lot in town` mark.

[Theoderich]

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I have also no idea - but the colour is red -
probably a town with a red flag

[huszas76]

I bought a zagrabian spoon, and when i see in my sources, i realized, that i saw these marks before (the one with the 3 towers, and the dove with the makers mark).
The town is Zagrab, the maker Franjo Lesnik.
(Peristil;1967-8; 10-11; page 194.)
Regards

[AG2012]

Have seen this reply just now — have not been here for some time.
This is interesting what you found — I have never seen Agram silver so far.
Three towers and the dove is Ujvidek — there is no doubt about it.
Agram has three towers, too, but a star and crescent. Besides, Ujvidek was well known and documented Hungarian silver guild. As for Agram guild, I have no idea but it makes sense to be Agram; star and crescent are too small to be incorporated into the mark.The dove in the mark I posted is within maker’s mark. So,the dove made me think about Ujvidek.
So, thanks to your research we know three towers are either Agram or Ujvidek with a dove,but not within maker’s mark.
Thank you and best regards

[AG2012]

Can you possibly post page 194 in Peristil book you mentioned?
Than you

[huszas76]

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Hello AG2012!

Here are the copies of the source, that I mentioned. It's from only a phototype, that's the reason of the bad quality, but i think, it's good enough for us now.
First time, when I saw your post, I agreed with you in the possibility, that your item is from Újvidék. But now I don't think.
Regards!

Krisztián

[AG2012]

Perfect!
``FL s listićem`` = WITH LEAF in Croatian (Google translate).
So, it is not a dove at all.
Thank you for identifying Agram town mark and the maker.
Regards

[huszas76]

For your pleasure! ;)
It was interesting for me too!
I like the similar questions! :)
Regard!
Krisztián