Russian enameled goblet

[meyrink]

Can you share your opinion on this hallmark? Is Michail Ovchinnikov real or fake?

Thank you, meyrink

[Dad]

Hi, Meyrink.

I'm sorry, but it's fake. ((

Best Reg..

[meyrink]

Thanks Dad, I had suspicion.. Its not my object. Could this mark exist at all or must be warrant eagle on it?

[sanna_w]

Thanks Dad, I had suspicion.. Its not my object. Could this mark exist at all or must be warrant eagle on it?

hi meyrink! maybe its little too late for the answer but any way... the original M.Ovchinnikov should be looking like this:

[Zolotnik]

Hi sanna_w -

do you know that this is a fake mark?

Regards
Zolotnik

[sanna_w]

Hi sanna_w -

do you know that this is a fake mark?

Regards
Zolotnik

hi Zolotnik!
is it? but why?..

[Zolotnik]

Hi sanna_w -

(When you contact expert´s support, a lot of people feel they´re talking to an idiot or being treated like one.)Just ajoke!!!

1) The shown mark is a cast (see the grain and the blurred rims?) - an authentic mark is punched with a steel stamp and is sharp and crisp.
2) Some details are very wrong.

Here an 4mm example in Macro:



See the difference? Now compare...

Regards
Zolotnik

[sanna_w]

(amin edit)

yes, i see, the photo is quite clear shows the 2 marks. but i can't understand how the second one connectes to M.Ovchinnikov (we re talking about the Ovchinnikov's mark from beginning, re we?)? or i misunderstood something? i mean, as i understood, these marks on your photo belong to M.Ovchinnikov? maybe i'm missing your point, can also happen. (i don't endeavor to try on the expert crown, just search for the correct knowledges which can help as me as the other members...)

[oel]

Hi,

Zolotnik shows us sharp and crisp marks which are punched to compare with your soft and blurred casted mark of M.Ovchinnikov; not punched but casted and thus a fake mark.
For more information please read (PDF file);
An analysis of silver candlesticks
from a casting point of view: originals,
copies, forgeries

http://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=& ... 3y-ZJcLLHA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Oel

[Zolotnik]

Hi sanna_w -

1) The shown mark is a cast (see the grain and the blurred rims?) - an authentic mark is punched with a steel stamp and is sharp and crisp.
2) Some details are very wrong.

You did not understand and/or ignored my example and explanation.
Here is another try:

Fake mark



Authentic mark



If you do not understand that too - I give up!

Regards
Zolotnik

[sanna_w]

(Admin edit)

no no, it was just misunderstanding from my side and thank u for your explanation and patience! the matter is that i found that photo which i added here on the one quite serios source in internet and was really surprised that it's a fake. my mistake was that i didn't check the authenticity of the stamp before i put it here. but any way, its good that we continue to talk about this subject cause meyrink got the answer :) and i also learn something new for me. as i told, i'm not expert but really interesting in such things, reading information in internet and books, collecting old silver jewels.

oel, thank you for your help! best regards guys!

[GiulyF]

Hi,

Zolotnik shows us sharp and crisp marks which are punched to compare with your soft and blurred casted mark of M.Ovchinnikov; not punched but casted and thus a fake mark.
For more information please read (PDF file);
An analysis of silver candlesticks
from a casting point of view: originals,
copies, forgeries

http://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=& ... 3y-ZJcLLHA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Oel

Dear Oel is it possible to have this PDf you mentioned at the followed link? The source is not available anymore..
I'm curious and avid to know and learn more about this discussion and topic.

Thanks!

[oel]

Hi, if you Google search: An analysis of silver candlesticks
from a casting point of view: originals,
copies, forgeries
You can download the PDF file
Or;

https://ro.ecu.edu.au/ecuworks/7228/
Peter.