Another interesting item.
It's around 10 cm.
Ithink, it's from Hungary, before 1867. But i did'n find in my sources.
Any ideas?
Best regards!
Krisztián
little "laddle"
little "laddle"
Hello everyone!
Another interesting item.
It's around 10 cm.
Ithink, it's from Hungary, before 1867. But i did'n find in my sources.
Any ideas?
Best regards!
Krisztián
Another interesting item.
It's around 10 cm.
Ithink, it's from Hungary, before 1867. But i did'n find in my sources.
Any ideas?
Best regards!
Krisztián
Re: little "laddle"
My guess would be Raab - a qualified guess, but a guess.
I definately match the tradition of Austria Hungaria.
And my guess would be Raab they look similar.
I definately match the tradition of Austria Hungaria.
And my guess would be Raab they look similar.
Re: little "laddle"
Dear Hose_dk!
First of all thank you very much for your guess, and for your interesting.
If you mean Raab as the hungarian city Györ, I have to say, it's confident that can't be.
Checked already in the "Magyarországi ötvösjegyek a középkortól 1867-ig/Merkzeichen der Goldschmiede Ungarns vom Mittelalter biz 1867", and in the "Győri Ötvösség I-II-III". The silversmith of Raab/Győr is very well seeked piece of the hungarian silversmith. I have seen a lot of time, and I have around 25 various photos about the mark of Győr..
Here you can see a very good example from 1840. (But this is not my picture)
http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic ... B6r#p71236
If you mean Raab, as the hungarian silversmith dinasty, I think this is unlikely too.
In the 80' s was a study in the "Művészettörténeti értesÃtÅ‘" about the family.
One of the member of the family was Christian Raab, in Raab/Győr. Maybe he is the most known.
He borned and learned in Lőcse, and when became master, worked in Győr. We know 14 various maker's mark from him, but all of them is dissimilar.
Ignatius Raab learned at the brother of his father, Christian. Then he worked in Esztergom/Gran. The mark of the Guild of Esztergom is very similar too, like that mark, it shows a castle with 4 tower. I was lucky, yesterday I bought a small spoon, made by him in 1843.
The 3. member of the family is the most mysterious for us.
As we know, he worked in LÅ‘cse, But we doesn't know any items made by him. But the mark of LÅ‘cse is very different too..
Last but not least we know a Matthias Raab in Miskolc.
About him we know nothing, but his monogram is so different like my little laddle's maker.
That's all about Raabs.. :)
Sorry for the long and boring speech, but as I mentioned I checked all the hungarian source that I know.
And I don't find any similar mark either maker's mark.
So I hope, my mark in the post is not hungarian, or someone have some knew source.
Thank you for your patience, and regards!
Krisztián
First of all thank you very much for your guess, and for your interesting.
If you mean Raab as the hungarian city Györ, I have to say, it's confident that can't be.
Checked already in the "Magyarországi ötvösjegyek a középkortól 1867-ig/Merkzeichen der Goldschmiede Ungarns vom Mittelalter biz 1867", and in the "Győri Ötvösség I-II-III". The silversmith of Raab/Győr is very well seeked piece of the hungarian silversmith. I have seen a lot of time, and I have around 25 various photos about the mark of Győr..
Here you can see a very good example from 1840. (But this is not my picture)
http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic ... B6r#p71236
If you mean Raab, as the hungarian silversmith dinasty, I think this is unlikely too.
In the 80' s was a study in the "Művészettörténeti értesÃtÅ‘" about the family.
One of the member of the family was Christian Raab, in Raab/Győr. Maybe he is the most known.
He borned and learned in Lőcse, and when became master, worked in Győr. We know 14 various maker's mark from him, but all of them is dissimilar.
Ignatius Raab learned at the brother of his father, Christian. Then he worked in Esztergom/Gran. The mark of the Guild of Esztergom is very similar too, like that mark, it shows a castle with 4 tower. I was lucky, yesterday I bought a small spoon, made by him in 1843.
The 3. member of the family is the most mysterious for us.
As we know, he worked in LÅ‘cse, But we doesn't know any items made by him. But the mark of LÅ‘cse is very different too..
Last but not least we know a Matthias Raab in Miskolc.
About him we know nothing, but his monogram is so different like my little laddle's maker.
That's all about Raabs.. :)
Sorry for the long and boring speech, but as I mentioned I checked all the hungarian source that I know.
And I don't find any similar mark either maker's mark.
So I hope, my mark in the post is not hungarian, or someone have some knew source.
Thank you for your patience, and regards!
Krisztián
Re: little "laddle"
Sorry, I wanted to write, that the mark of Esztergom is very dissimilar.
Re: little "laddle"
My guess was the city.
My source Alfred Rohwasser Österreichs Punzen edelmetal - punzierung in Öterreich von 1524 bis 1984
Page 68 third last line last mark is very similar
2 Hälfte XVLLL
But I am not good in marks from Austria Hungaria.
My source Alfred Rohwasser Österreichs Punzen edelmetal - punzierung in Öterreich von 1524 bis 1984
Page 68 third last line last mark is very similar
2 Hälfte XVLLL
But I am not good in marks from Austria Hungaria.
Re: little "laddle"
Thank you again for your kindeness.
Now i'm concerned.
I don't have this source. Can you show me the mentioned mark?
Now i'm concerned.
I don't have this source. Can you show me the mentioned mark?
Re: little "laddle"
Here is a Picture from the book - the entire page and the specific mark. I see some similarities - its not the same mark. But I would expect that marks would vary from year to year. So not the same mark, but one that is similar.
Re: little "laddle"
Thank You!
I think, this is the mark or a very similar, that you suggested.
But easy for me, because I met with this mark before. Sometimes difficult to recognize the hallmark from drawings..
Best regards!
Krisztián
I think, this is the mark or a very similar, that you suggested.
But easy for me, because I met with this mark before. Sometimes difficult to recognize the hallmark from drawings..
Best regards!
Krisztián
Re: little "laddle"
Yes you are proberly right. The mark shown is very likely Austria Hungaria. (original mark) Most likely in my oppinion. So I searched for mark like in the book. But it is proberly not the same.
However the book ISBN 3-900 008-07-8 Verlag Bondi 1983. You should get it when collecting I found it "Staats bibliothek Berlin" Its in their Collection - you could borrow it, because it is proberly sold out.
However the book ISBN 3-900 008-07-8 Verlag Bondi 1983. You should get it when collecting I found it "Staats bibliothek Berlin" Its in their Collection - you could borrow it, because it is proberly sold out.
Re: little "laddle"
Thank you for your advice!
But as I saw your picture from your book, I suspect, we use the "same" source. The original book what I mentioned ( Kőszeghy Elemér: Magyarországi ötvösjegyek a középkortól 1867-ig/Merkzeichen der Goldshmiede Ungarns vom Mittelalter bis 1867) is from 1936. The drawings are very similar, so very likely, that Rohwasser took over - but without the makers.
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But as I saw your picture from your book, I suspect, we use the "same" source. The original book what I mentioned ( Kőszeghy Elemér: Magyarországi ötvösjegyek a középkortól 1867-ig/Merkzeichen der Goldshmiede Ungarns vom Mittelalter bis 1867) is from 1936. The drawings are very similar, so very likely, that Rohwasser took over - but without the makers.
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