I made some pictures about this tea spoon. The marks for me totally unknown, but the owner's engraving suggest me, that maybe from Spain.
Please help me to identify!
Thank you!
Best regards!
Krisztián
Tea spoon. Spain?
Tea spoon. Spain?
Hello everyone!
I made some pictures about this tea spoon. The marks for me totally unknown, but the owner's engraving suggest me, that maybe from Spain.
Please help me to identify!
Thank you!
Best regards!
Krisztián
I made some pictures about this tea spoon. The marks for me totally unknown, but the owner's engraving suggest me, that maybe from Spain.
Please help me to identify!
Thank you!
Best regards!
Krisztián
Re: Tea spoon. Spain?
Buenas tardes huszas76, en España hay tres ciudades que utilizan la marca de un león para designar su ciudad, Zaragoza, León y Córdoba, solo esta última y durante un corto tiempo del s.XVIII se marcó el león mirando a la derecha, luego podrÃa ser Córdoba pero siempre iba dentro de un marco oval y casi siempre el marco era doble. La segunda marca esta muy difÃcil de descifrar, solamente por ese circulo podrÃa ser Damián de Castro pero no estoy convencido, te adjunto una imagen para que lo compares tú.
Good afternoon huszas76, in Spain there are three cities that use the mark of a lion to designate their city, Zaragoza, León and Córdoba, only the latter and for a short time the XVIIIth century marked the lion facing right, then could be Córdoba but was always within an oval frame and the frame was almost always double. The second mark is very difficult to decipher, but by that circle could be Damian de Castro but I'm not convinced, I attached a picture for you to compare yourself.
Good afternoon huszas76, in Spain there are three cities that use the mark of a lion to designate their city, Zaragoza, León and Córdoba, only the latter and for a short time the XVIIIth century marked the lion facing right, then could be Córdoba but was always within an oval frame and the frame was almost always double. The second mark is very difficult to decipher, but by that circle could be Damian de Castro but I'm not convinced, I attached a picture for you to compare yourself.
Re: Tea spoon. Spain?
Hola Funkel!
Thank you for your interesting response. Unfortunatly I cannot see more, like in the photo.
But the style of the spoon suggest me later, somewhere in the 19. century.
Otherwise I'm not sure, that's from Spain, just I thought because of the engraving.
Best regards!
Krisztián
Thank you for your interesting response. Unfortunatly I cannot see more, like in the photo.
But the style of the spoon suggest me later, somewhere in the 19. century.
Otherwise I'm not sure, that's from Spain, just I thought because of the engraving.
Best regards!
Krisztián
Re: Tea spoon. Spain?
Jó reggelt Huszas76.
Existe otra posibilidad, en España en 1936 desaparecieron todas las marcas de localidad, por una estrella de 5 puntas dentro de un marco oval, (916/1000) para todo el territorio español y se adoptó que las marcas de fabricantes fueran dentro de un marco hexagonal. Por lo tanto puede ser que algún fabricante, que desconozco, adoptara como su marca personal el león en alusión a la antigua marca que designaba su ciudad, pero colocándola a la derecha para diferenciarla de la que siempre se utilizó.
Si esto es correcto la otra marca tiene mas sentido para mi porque en 1936 también se adopto para designar la plata de 750/1000 una estrella fugaz dentro de un marco rectangular que sà puede coincidir con la tuya, te adjunto una imagen para que compares.
Las traducciones en Google son horrorosas si no me he explicado bien por favor dÃmelo y lo intento de nuevo.
There is another possibility, in Spain in 1936 disappeared all brands of town, a 5-pointed star within an oval, (916/1000) for the whole Spanish territory and adopted that manufacturer brands were within a hexagonal. Therefore it may be that some manufacturer, unknown to me, adopted as his trademark lion alluding to the old mark designating their city, but placing the right to differentiate which is always used.
If this is correct the other brand makes more sense to me because in 1936 also adopted to designate silver 750/1000 a shooting star in a rectangular frame itself can match yours, I attached a picture for you to compare.
The Google translations are awful if I have not explained well please tell me and I try again.
Existe otra posibilidad, en España en 1936 desaparecieron todas las marcas de localidad, por una estrella de 5 puntas dentro de un marco oval, (916/1000) para todo el territorio español y se adoptó que las marcas de fabricantes fueran dentro de un marco hexagonal. Por lo tanto puede ser que algún fabricante, que desconozco, adoptara como su marca personal el león en alusión a la antigua marca que designaba su ciudad, pero colocándola a la derecha para diferenciarla de la que siempre se utilizó.
Si esto es correcto la otra marca tiene mas sentido para mi porque en 1936 también se adopto para designar la plata de 750/1000 una estrella fugaz dentro de un marco rectangular que sà puede coincidir con la tuya, te adjunto una imagen para que compares.
Las traducciones en Google son horrorosas si no me he explicado bien por favor dÃmelo y lo intento de nuevo.
There is another possibility, in Spain in 1936 disappeared all brands of town, a 5-pointed star within an oval, (916/1000) for the whole Spanish territory and adopted that manufacturer brands were within a hexagonal. Therefore it may be that some manufacturer, unknown to me, adopted as his trademark lion alluding to the old mark designating their city, but placing the right to differentiate which is always used.
If this is correct the other brand makes more sense to me because in 1936 also adopted to designate silver 750/1000 a shooting star in a rectangular frame itself can match yours, I attached a picture for you to compare.
The Google translations are awful if I have not explained well please tell me and I try again.
Re: Tea spoon. Spain?
Buenas tardes Funkel!
Thank you again for the replies! I think, we closer to the solution! :)
As I see, the shooting star is the second mark in the spoon. So we are looking for a lion! If we are seeng from the good side. I tried to rotete, but I didn't hav any other idea.
Thank you again, now we can determinate the age!
Best regards!
Krisztián
Thank you again for the replies! I think, we closer to the solution! :)
As I see, the shooting star is the second mark in the spoon. So we are looking for a lion! If we are seeng from the good side. I tried to rotete, but I didn't hav any other idea.
Thank you again, now we can determinate the age!
Best regards!
Krisztián
Re: Tea spoon. Spain?
A detail regarding the 'shooting star' mark that I wasn't aware of until a friend sent me the below detail:
Source: Gaceta de Madrid - Number 244 - Published 1st September 1935, pages 1739-1740.
I had wondered why the mark was not often seen, but now understand that the mark is only struck on items weighing less than 30 grams.
Trev.
Source: Gaceta de Madrid - Number 244 - Published 1st September 1935, pages 1739-1740.
I had wondered why the mark was not often seen, but now understand that the mark is only struck on items weighing less than 30 grams.
Trev.
Re: Tea spoon. Spain?
Hi Dognose
Tienes mucha razón, yo ya la habÃa olvidado te felicito por tu gran memoria.
En realidad, tu copia es de una reforma que se hizo a ley de 29 de enero de 1934. Después de esto se volvió a modificar el 17 de febrero de 1936. Fueron unos años difÃciles en España estábamos en plena guerra civil (1931-1939). Y las leyes y reformas se sucedÃan como podemos ver.
Después de esto el Rey Juan Carlos la reformo con la Ley 17/1985, de 1 de julio. y creo que la última reforma fue de 1988. Llevo tiempo pensando en estudiar todas las leyes que se han ido modificando en España pero un dÃa por otro nunca me pongo a hacerlo.
De todas formas la marca de la "Estella Fugaz", bueno yo la he bautizado asÃ, en realidad es un COMETA, se utilizó muy poco ya que no tuvo buena aceptación, el que compraba un objeto de plata, querÃa una plata "buena" y la diferencia de precio no debió ser mucha. En mis mas de 20 años rebuscando marcas, solo la he visto marcada en tres o cuatro ocasiones y siempre en cuberterÃas, por algunos coleccionistas se que se utilizó en botones, hebillas, etc. Incluso los plateros renegaban de ella, recuerdo que mi abuelo la llamaba "plata de provincias". :-)
Un saludo
Hi Dognose
You are quite right, I had forgotten and I congratulate you on your great memory.
Actually, your copy is a reform law was made January 29, 1934. After this is further amended February 17, 1936. Those were difficult years in Spain were in civil war (1931-1939). And the laws and reforms are happening as we see.
After this the King Juan Carlos the reformed with Law 17/1985, of July 1. and I think the last reform was 1988. I've been thinking of studying time all laws that have been modified in Spain but one day for another never got round to it.
Anyway the brand of "Estella Fleeting", well I have baptized so, it's actually a COMET was used very little and was not well received, which bought a silver object, I wanted a silver "good" and the price difference should not be much. In my more than 20 years rummaging brand marked only seen three or four times and always cutlery, by some collectors to be used on buttons, buckles, etc.. Even the silversmiths reneged on it, I remember my grandfather called "Silver provinces." :-)
Greetings
Tienes mucha razón, yo ya la habÃa olvidado te felicito por tu gran memoria.
En realidad, tu copia es de una reforma que se hizo a ley de 29 de enero de 1934. Después de esto se volvió a modificar el 17 de febrero de 1936. Fueron unos años difÃciles en España estábamos en plena guerra civil (1931-1939). Y las leyes y reformas se sucedÃan como podemos ver.
Después de esto el Rey Juan Carlos la reformo con la Ley 17/1985, de 1 de julio. y creo que la última reforma fue de 1988. Llevo tiempo pensando en estudiar todas las leyes que se han ido modificando en España pero un dÃa por otro nunca me pongo a hacerlo.
De todas formas la marca de la "Estella Fugaz", bueno yo la he bautizado asÃ, en realidad es un COMETA, se utilizó muy poco ya que no tuvo buena aceptación, el que compraba un objeto de plata, querÃa una plata "buena" y la diferencia de precio no debió ser mucha. En mis mas de 20 años rebuscando marcas, solo la he visto marcada en tres o cuatro ocasiones y siempre en cuberterÃas, por algunos coleccionistas se que se utilizó en botones, hebillas, etc. Incluso los plateros renegaban de ella, recuerdo que mi abuelo la llamaba "plata de provincias". :-)
Un saludo
Hi Dognose
You are quite right, I had forgotten and I congratulate you on your great memory.
Actually, your copy is a reform law was made January 29, 1934. After this is further amended February 17, 1936. Those were difficult years in Spain were in civil war (1931-1939). And the laws and reforms are happening as we see.
After this the King Juan Carlos the reformed with Law 17/1985, of July 1. and I think the last reform was 1988. I've been thinking of studying time all laws that have been modified in Spain but one day for another never got round to it.
Anyway the brand of "Estella Fleeting", well I have baptized so, it's actually a COMET was used very little and was not well received, which bought a silver object, I wanted a silver "good" and the price difference should not be much. In my more than 20 years rummaging brand marked only seen three or four times and always cutlery, by some collectors to be used on buttons, buckles, etc.. Even the silversmiths reneged on it, I remember my grandfather called "Silver provinces." :-)
Greetings