Could anyone help identify the maker of this small silver beaker. The marks I recognise are those of Paris "Maison Commune" of 1789 but the makers mark and charge/discharge mark I have been unable to identify.
Trevor
help with maker paris maison commune 1789
help with maker paris maison commune 1789
Hello,
Could anyone help identify the maker of this small silver beaker. The marks I recognise are those of Paris "Maison Commune" of 1789 but the makers mark and charge/discharge mark I have been unable to identify.
Trevor
Could anyone help identify the maker of this small silver beaker. The marks I recognise are those of Paris "Maison Commune" of 1789 but the makers mark and charge/discharge mark I have been unable to identify.
Trevor
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Francais
Re: help with maker paris maison commune 1789
I guess I can help a little. The top mark in your photo is probably just end of the next mark below it, it didn't strike well so they re-struck it.
The next mark on the right is a charge mark for 1789. It is not well struck there is a A in the center, and a design in another circle surrounding it. There are 7 of these in Tardy. This mark occasionally is poorly struck, I don't know why, yours is an example and the surrounding circle is only visible from about 11 to 4 o'clock. The discharge mark is missing, but then it is 1789.
I presume there are no other marks besides the maker's mark.
I can't make out the first letter, perhaps you can. The next letter looks like an E to me. There aren't many silversmiths with a last name beginning with a E, I could find none that fit.
The thing on the bottom of the mark is either a lump or the top of a P, B, or R. Normally to find a mark without the first letter is tedious and futile, but I did try looking for a silversmith with a last name beginning with these three letters and a middle name beginning with an E. No luck.
Perhaps with a closer cropped photo, larger mark or better description I could do better, but I doubt it.
Maurice
The next mark on the right is a charge mark for 1789. It is not well struck there is a A in the center, and a design in another circle surrounding it. There are 7 of these in Tardy. This mark occasionally is poorly struck, I don't know why, yours is an example and the surrounding circle is only visible from about 11 to 4 o'clock. The discharge mark is missing, but then it is 1789.
I presume there are no other marks besides the maker's mark.
I can't make out the first letter, perhaps you can. The next letter looks like an E to me. There aren't many silversmiths with a last name beginning with a E, I could find none that fit.
The thing on the bottom of the mark is either a lump or the top of a P, B, or R. Normally to find a mark without the first letter is tedious and futile, but I did try looking for a silversmith with a last name beginning with these three letters and a middle name beginning with an E. No luck.
Perhaps with a closer cropped photo, larger mark or better description I could do better, but I doubt it.
Maurice
Re: help with maker paris maison commune 1789
Hello Francois,
Thank you for your help. The makers mark looks like a star under a fleur de lys with a pellet each side of the star, the right hand letter is, I believe, a B, the letter under the star could be a P but that is a guess, the left hand letter is not visible. I will try and take a better picture. Sadly my research information on French silver is limited to Tardy and the internet.....I must get better informed!
Regards,
Trevor
Thank you for your help. The makers mark looks like a star under a fleur de lys with a pellet each side of the star, the right hand letter is, I believe, a B, the letter under the star could be a P but that is a guess, the left hand letter is not visible. I will try and take a better picture. Sadly my research information on French silver is limited to Tardy and the internet.....I must get better informed!
Regards,
Trevor
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Francais
Re: help with maker paris maison commune 1789
If the shown letter is a B and the one below is a P then it could be Jean-Baptiste PIAT.
Unfortunately Paris maker's marks as a rule had a crowned fleur de lys and two pellets, and the center symbol the star is quite common.
Maurice
Unfortunately Paris maker's marks as a rule had a crowned fleur de lys and two pellets, and the center symbol the star is quite common.
Maurice