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Definitions of latter
Adjektiv
situated or occurring nearer to the end of something than to the beginning.
"the latter half of 1989"
Synonyme: later, closing, end, concluding, final, latest, most recent
Vodka cup with art nouveau influence
Re: Vodka cup with art nouveau influence
The result of this discussion: except in Moscow and St. Petersburg no silver could be stamped in Russia for 3 years ..... or it was stamped nationwide with the stamps of Moscow and St. Petersburg. When was the stamp of Moscow and when was the stamp of St. Petersburg used? For example in Kiev?
That sounds all very plausible.
That sounds all very plausible.
Re: Vodka cup with art nouveau influence
Sorry been busy elsewhere..
I cannot understand why there would be 3 years gap? Of course silver is hallmarked 1896-1898 with the current hallmarks from 1882-1898.
Summarizing it all once again, this is how it goes.
The assay charter/ukaz is launched in July 1. 1896 preceded and followed by heavy discussions causing delays relating to the implementation. Members of the assay institutions study the case carefully during 3 years. The most laborious work was accomplished by July 2. 1897. Anyway, during the latter part of 1898 the new small figure kokshnik is after all distributed to St Petersburg and Moscow. Before being spread more it turns out that it is illegal and must be renewed. A new big figure legal kokshnik is manufactured and distributed by the end of 1898. Meanwhile the current dvoinik, troinik and chetvernik hallmark is used and punched on silver allover, except Moscow and St Petersburg. As from the beginning of 1899, the new big figured kokoshik is available in all assay offices. The old hallmark(s) and the illegal kokshnik are debased and the assay offices are obliged to use the new kokoshik only.
Where is the problem? But, as said before it is a mess and is widely protested and objected in the assay offices around Russia all didn't want to observe the new regulation!
Since Goldstein is always whining for sources. Here it is:
Дла золотый и серебряиых дел мастеров The author is P. Tikhonov, master of the Kiev regional assay administration. The book explains how to implement and understand the assay charter of 1896. In addition I can show a document to the Minister of Finance from the assay department including the exact deadline of the use of old hallmarks i.e. 1898. There are other documents as well indicating the same year. These facts cannot be disregarded. Factum est: The kokshnik with small figures was use only as from ~July 1. to December 31. 1898.
Goldstein wrote: except in Moscow and St. Petersburg no silver could be stamped in Russia for 3 years ..
I cannot understand why there would be 3 years gap? Of course silver is hallmarked 1896-1898 with the current hallmarks from 1882-1898.
Summarizing it all once again, this is how it goes.
The assay charter/ukaz is launched in July 1. 1896 preceded and followed by heavy discussions causing delays relating to the implementation. Members of the assay institutions study the case carefully during 3 years. The most laborious work was accomplished by July 2. 1897. Anyway, during the latter part of 1898 the new small figure kokshnik is after all distributed to St Petersburg and Moscow. Before being spread more it turns out that it is illegal and must be renewed. A new big figure legal kokshnik is manufactured and distributed by the end of 1898. Meanwhile the current dvoinik, troinik and chetvernik hallmark is used and punched on silver allover, except Moscow and St Petersburg. As from the beginning of 1899, the new big figured kokoshik is available in all assay offices. The old hallmark(s) and the illegal kokshnik are debased and the assay offices are obliged to use the new kokoshik only.
Where is the problem? But, as said before it is a mess and is widely protested and objected in the assay offices around Russia all didn't want to observe the new regulation!
Since Goldstein is always whining for sources. Here it is:
Дла золотый и серебряиых дел мастеров The author is P. Tikhonov, master of the Kiev regional assay administration. The book explains how to implement and understand the assay charter of 1896. In addition I can show a document to the Minister of Finance from the assay department including the exact deadline of the use of old hallmarks i.e. 1898. There are other documents as well indicating the same year. These facts cannot be disregarded. Factum est: The kokshnik with small figures was use only as from ~July 1. to December 31. 1898.
Re: Vodka cup with art nouveau influence
Hi -
You can copy the texts of your books again and again - my important and decisive question is still unanswered: how and with what stamps was the silver stamped in this interim period (the stamps fom Moscow and St. Petersburg are known) in the rest of Russia? And which marks were used?
Please no more smokescreen - just an clear answer.
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Goldstein
You can copy the texts of your books again and again - my important and decisive question is still unanswered: how and with what stamps was the silver stamped in this interim period (the stamps fom Moscow and St. Petersburg are known) in the rest of Russia? And which marks were used?
Please no more smokescreen - just an clear answer.
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Goldstein
Re: Vodka cup with art nouveau influence
You don't read my text do you? Please read it!
Got it?
The current marks 1882-1898 were used 1896-> and as from 1898 alongside with the kokshnik with small figures!Qrt.S wrote:Meanwhile the current dvoinik, troinik and chetvernik hallmark is used and punched on silver allover, except Moscow and St Petersburg.
Got it?