Irish Retailer Marks--Long Term Project

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Here is the photo of James Hackett's mark (see above post).



Trev.

[dognose]

Retailer or maker?





A silverplated table spoon marked with a British Registry Mark for the 10th January 1882 and with the name 'Polland' and 'Belfast'.

The only suspect I have for this one is Edward Polland who appears in Belfast directories as a Watchmaker of 10, Hudson Street in 1877, a Watchmaker of 108, Dover Street in 1880, a Watchmaker & Jeweller of 18, High Street in 1901 and as Edward Polland Ltd, Watchmakers & Jewellers of 18, High Street in 1907 and 1910. (Thanks to Lennon Wylie for the Belfast Directory information).

Whether or not he had the facility for producing flatware or if he had them made for him with no clue to a manufacturers name marked on them, I know not, but the piece is of a good quality.

Trev.

[MCB]

Hello Trev,

Not having come across any silverware with a Dublin mark for Powell I wonder if he registered. If not the more likely for anything he sold which required assay to have been bought in. This would also perhaps include buying in the silverplated spoon albeit with his name already on it.
Possibly the name on the Design Register could give a clue as to who produced the spoon?

Regards,
Mike

[Granmaa]

An earlier example of Twycross with Power's mark. Found on a nice piece of holloware.

Miles

[Granmaa]

A new and relatively modern one. Weir & Sons 1908.

Miles

[dognose]

Hi Miles,

That would be Thomas Weir, he arrived in Dublin from Glasgow to form a short-lived partnership with A. Rogers as 'Weir & Rogers' in 1869, but the partnership was finished by 1872.

Thomas Weir continued at the original address of 3, Wicklow Street and Weir & Sons, as the firm became known as from after 1900, still occupy the same premises today.

Trev.

[Granmaa]

An 1814 version of the Mullen mark with William Cummins.

Miles

[dognose]

Here is a mark rarely seen, that of Pim Brothers of Dublin, noted on a John Smyth teaspoon, 5 3/4" (14.5 cm) in length and 26 grams in weight, assayed at Dublin in 1878




Pim Brothers - Dublin - 1873

Pim Brothers were primarily poplin manufacturers and drapers, but had a large department store located at 75-85 South Great George Street, and as can be seen from the advertisement below, also at Exchequer Street. Amongst the known partners of this Quaker family business were: Joseph Todhunter Pim, Richard Pim, F.W. Pim, Jonathan Pim, Thomas Pim and John Gilbert.


Pim Brothers - Dublin - 1876


Pim Brothers - Dublin - 1894

Trev.

[dognose]

This one's interesting, presumably John Sheils of Dublin being the maker and John Tolekin of Cork being the retailer.




This mark was noted on a 7 1/4" dessert spoon, assayed at Dublin in 1803.

Trev.

[dognose]

An updated listing of Irish retailer marks:








Trev.

[dognose]

This one is a slightly different version of the maker/retailer combination. This duo was noted recently on a teaspoon assayed at Dublin in 1821.




As can be seen, the teaspoon is struck with the marks of Carden Terry & Jane Williams, along with the mark of Richard Garde, both of Cork. The likely explanation for this pairing, is that Carden Terry & Jane Williams were the makers with Richard Garde being the retailer. Carden Terry died on the 16th July 1821 and Jane Williams closed the business soon after her father's demise. It would appear from this marking that Richard Garde purchased, some or all, of the remaining stock of the Terry-Williams partnership.

Trev.

[dognose]

Retailer mark of Rumley, noted on a James Le Bas fiddle pattern teaspoon, assayed at Dublin in 1828.



Trev.

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A Cork combination, maker Joseph Kinselagh, retailer John Whelply.



Noted on a tablespoon assayed at Dublin in 1808.

Trev.

[dartsil]

Here is another example for the project Trev.
Dublin 1825 on a dessert spoon, Marked with the marks of Christopher Eades as well as Matthew West.

[dognose]

Member doc has kindly provided another Irish retailer mark:



R. CAVE - noted on a large stuffing/basting spoon assayed at Dublin in 1834 and manufactured by Richard Garde of Cork.

Trev.

[dognose]

BDL noted on teaspoon by James Keating and Richard Flood, assayed at Dublin in 1811.



Trev.

[dognose]

A possible example of the retailer marking secondhand pieces:



A. Cooke - Clonmel - 1889

Noted on a spoon assayed at Dublin in 1816, made by James Scott.

Trev.

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L.O.H or H.O.T?





Noted on a fiddle pattern teaspoon by Samuel Green of Cork.

Trev.

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A possible candidate for the identity of the mystery 'LOH', may be that of Laurence O'Hagan, a Limerick Watchmaker, who may well have been a retailer also.

See: http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic ... 38&t=14712" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trev.

[dognose]

Dear Members,

We are delighted to announce the addition of a new section to the Encyclopedia at 925-1000.com

IRISH RETAILER MARKS

This new section, some five pages of marks, will hopefully solve some riddles regarding these additional marks that were often applied to Irish silverware and are often the subject of confusion to the collector.

The new section can be found at: Irish Retailer Marks or via the Dublin pages at: Irish Hallmarks

As with all pages of the Encyclopedia, we are always looking to expand them, so if you have any further examples of Irish retailer marking, please post them here in this topic.

Regards to all,

The Admin Team