Paris Ladle--1809-1819--Info Required

Post by **dognose** » Sun May 25, 2008 12:20 pm

Hi,

Can anyone help me with the maker of this huge Fiddle and Thread ladle? It is 14" (36cm) in length and weighs a massive 8 oz (250 gm).

The official marks are that of the cock first standard (950/1000) mark for Paris and the head mark (large excise mark-Paris) that indicates that the Duty has been paid. Both these marks were in use for the period: 1st September 1809 to 15th August 1819.
Any help with the maker or any other information would be greatly appreciated.

Trev.

blakstone · Post by **blakstone** » Sun May 25, 2008 5:17 pm

Pierre-Philippe Rousseau, master under the ancien rÃ©gime 18 Dec 1776, with this mark (PPR with a rose with a star above) first recorded 1808. He was a flatware maker at 14 Place Thionville. Succeeded 17 Nov 1820 by Jean-Baptiste Andrieu.

Hope this helps!

Post by **dognose** » Mon May 26, 2008 2:34 am

Hi Blakstone,

That's great information.
Many thanks.

Regards Trev.

Post by **dognose** » Mon May 26, 2008 6:04 am

Hi Blakstone,

blakstone wrote: Succeeded 17 Nov 1820 by Jean-Baptiste Andrieu.

Is this refering to Rousseau's business or an official position?

Regards Trev.

blakstone · Post by **blakstone** » Mon May 26, 2008 1:07 pm

His business. Andrieu is listed in the 1821 almanac as successor to Rousseau. While there is no record of Rousseau's mark being "struck off" in the official registers, Andrieu registered his mark - which was identical to Rousseau's but with the initials "JBA" - on 7 November 1820, thus providing the date. Andrieu died in 1833 and was in turn succeeded by his widow, Marie-Louise Dutertre, as Veuve Andrieu, fl. 1833-1835; her mark was "VA" with a rose. The original pun behind many of the devices in French marks (Rousseau = rose) were often thus lost to time.

Post by **dognose** » Mon May 26, 2008 1:53 pm

Blakstone,

Many thanks again for the informative answer.

Regards Trev.