here is the last: Moscow 1908-17(26), maker:EK in a triangel
The case:
With Lenin Order, second version (1934), number 1495 from 2500
The maker:
Any help very welcome!
Regards
Postnikov
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Unidentified cigarette case V
Unidentified cigarette case V
Hi -
here is the last: Moscow 1908-17(26), maker:EK in a triangel
The case:
With Lenin Order, second version (1934), number 1495 from 2500
The maker:
Any help very welcome!
Regards
Postnikov
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here is the last: Moscow 1908-17(26), maker:EK in a triangel
The case:
With Lenin Order, second version (1934), number 1495 from 2500
The maker:
Any help very welcome!
Regards
Postnikov
.
This is an interesting cigarette case indeed. Unfortunately I have to say that I have no idea of the maker. Nevertheless, What's interesting is that there is a right faced (Russian) kokoshnik on an item with a Soviet order/medal.
My question is that is the medal added to an perhaps older, made before 1917, item or is the actual case also made after 1917? Another question is, that wasn't this honorable order supposed to be carried on the chest and not soldered on a cigarette case. (Just wondering...)
If somebody can identify the maker, that would probably answer this question of origin.
By the way, you seems have a very nice collection of cigarette cases.
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My question is that is the medal added to an perhaps older, made before 1917, item or is the actual case also made after 1917? Another question is, that wasn't this honorable order supposed to be carried on the chest and not soldered on a cigarette case. (Just wondering...)
If somebody can identify the maker, that would probably answer this question of origin.
By the way, you seems have a very nice collection of cigarette cases.
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Hi -Qrt.S
you know my opinion about the period between 1917 and 1926.
It is known that all silver manufactering workshops were closed, either why the employees were joining the "worker´s army" on the streets, or the owners fled to Finland, Sweden etc., or were arrested and later shot or were banned to Sibiria - and never came back. After 1917 there was no further use for luxury articles. All the cigarette cases I found (presentation cases to some Tscheka officers, etc) which I can assign 100% to the period 1917 -26 are "left overs" from the old factories - with the known marks of the silversmiths 1908 -17 or earlier. I believe the new gouvernment had more important things to do than to change the assay mark. Then in 1927, when things became a little more normal, they had their "own" assay mark. What I often found were cigarette cases from 1908 - 17 or earlier, which were re -assay marked with the mark from 1927 - the old stamps are mostly scratched - but you still can read them.
The so called propaganda cigarette cases (workers in front of factories, Red Army soldiers on watch etc., always encrusted with a big red star or a red banner in enamel) are all with assay stamps from 1927. I will post a very interesting cigarette case later to harden my point of view.
Disclaimer: This is my personal opinion supported by many years of investigations!
I believe the Lenin order was added later by someone who wanted to make the nice but simple cigarette case a little more valuable. In Russia nobody would put such a high order on a cigarette case. The order is fixed with its screwplate to the case.
Information: All the signatures, jetons, champagner bottles etc., etc. you find on cigarette cases and elsewhere are never soldered - always riveted! If it is soldered (exept coins) it is mostly a total fake or the "accessoires" have been added later.
Regards
Postnikov
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you know my opinion about the period between 1917 and 1926.
It is known that all silver manufactering workshops were closed, either why the employees were joining the "worker´s army" on the streets, or the owners fled to Finland, Sweden etc., or were arrested and later shot or were banned to Sibiria - and never came back. After 1917 there was no further use for luxury articles. All the cigarette cases I found (presentation cases to some Tscheka officers, etc) which I can assign 100% to the period 1917 -26 are "left overs" from the old factories - with the known marks of the silversmiths 1908 -17 or earlier. I believe the new gouvernment had more important things to do than to change the assay mark. Then in 1927, when things became a little more normal, they had their "own" assay mark. What I often found were cigarette cases from 1908 - 17 or earlier, which were re -assay marked with the mark from 1927 - the old stamps are mostly scratched - but you still can read them.
The so called propaganda cigarette cases (workers in front of factories, Red Army soldiers on watch etc., always encrusted with a big red star or a red banner in enamel) are all with assay stamps from 1927. I will post a very interesting cigarette case later to harden my point of view.
Disclaimer: This is my personal opinion supported by many years of investigations!
I believe the Lenin order was added later by someone who wanted to make the nice but simple cigarette case a little more valuable. In Russia nobody would put such a high order on a cigarette case. The order is fixed with its screwplate to the case.
Information: All the signatures, jetons, champagner bottles etc., etc. you find on cigarette cases and elsewhere are never soldered - always riveted! If it is soldered (exept coins) it is mostly a total fake or the "accessoires" have been added later.
Regards
Postnikov
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