Of course it seems very unlikely that the mark will be recognized.
Maurice
Third button with unclear mark.
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Francais
Third button with unclear mark.
This is the third button. It seems somewhat later than the other two, but still before 1850 in my opinion.
Of course it seems very unlikely that the mark will be recognized.
Maurice
Of course it seems very unlikely that the mark will be recognized.
Maurice
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Francais
Re: Third button with unclear mark.
I believe this should have been posted in the Dutch silver area, proof will follow soon.
Maurice
Maurice
Re: Third button with unclear mark.
Hi Maurice,
Buttons are usually classed as jewellery, so the 'European Jewellery' forum is the correct place for it.
Can you try to capture a clearer image of the mark?
Trev.
Buttons are usually classed as jewellery, so the 'European Jewellery' forum is the correct place for it.
Can you try to capture a clearer image of the mark?
Trev.
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Francais
Re: Third button with unclear mark.
Here are some more photos, but I am afraid it is the problem of the mark, not the photography.
Maurice
Maurice
Re: Third button with unclear mark.
Just moving this one to the Dutch forum to see if we get any joy there.
Trev.
Trev.
Re: Third button with unclear mark.
Hi Maurice,
Assuming we are looking at a Dutch city guild mark and being pushed to give an answer; Hoorn mid-18th century. If turned 180 degrees, the shape of the shield; similarity to Dokkum early 18th century.
The problem with silver buttons or small silver items below 20 grams in general; often the local hallmark rules of the guild did not apply or were not upheld. Often you find only a letter or other obscure mark, sometimes struck twice and struck by the silver smith, no assay office involved and if you are lucky you have maker’s mark with an assay city mark or even better including a date letter.
I do not know if you can recognize, by the shape or design of a button, in which country or province city the button has been made. But sometimes you can, like the traditional silver used in fishing/farmer communities (folklore). Foreign travelling merchants were unofficial allowed to sell small silver items directly to the villagers and farmers but only silver items below a certain weight, those items could be without marks or maker’s mark struck only and in low quantities otherwise the local silversmiths would complain to the guild authorities.
Oel.
Assuming we are looking at a Dutch city guild mark and being pushed to give an answer; Hoorn mid-18th century. If turned 180 degrees, the shape of the shield; similarity to Dokkum early 18th century.
The problem with silver buttons or small silver items below 20 grams in general; often the local hallmark rules of the guild did not apply or were not upheld. Often you find only a letter or other obscure mark, sometimes struck twice and struck by the silver smith, no assay office involved and if you are lucky you have maker’s mark with an assay city mark or even better including a date letter.
I do not know if you can recognize, by the shape or design of a button, in which country or province city the button has been made. But sometimes you can, like the traditional silver used in fishing/farmer communities (folklore). Foreign travelling merchants were unofficial allowed to sell small silver items directly to the villagers and farmers but only silver items below a certain weight, those items could be without marks or maker’s mark struck only and in low quantities otherwise the local silversmiths would complain to the guild authorities.
Oel.