Is this an Italian box? Previous owner purchased in in Italy.(Florence)
900 not in oval ,no Italian lozeng mark, letters FP Maker? what is K18? just makers Code?
I do feel it is Italian ,anyone know maker?
Regards Guido.
Is this box Italian?
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gsmoggy
Is this box Italian?
Hi Members
Is this an Italian box? Previous owner purchased in in Italy.(Florence)
900 not in oval ,no Italian lozeng mark, letters FP Maker? what is K18? just makers Code?
I do feel it is Italian ,anyone know maker?
Regards Guido.
Is this an Italian box? Previous owner purchased in in Italy.(Florence)
900 not in oval ,no Italian lozeng mark, letters FP Maker? what is K18? just makers Code?
I do feel it is Italian ,anyone know maker?
Regards Guido.
Re: Is this box Italian?
Hello,
could, I repeat, could be Italian.
Before 1935 there was no "lozenge" or oval.
900 fineness was used and 18K was added if there was a small gold application or gilding in the piece.
Best
Amena
could, I repeat, could be Italian.
Before 1935 there was no "lozenge" or oval.
900 fineness was used and 18K was added if there was a small gold application or gilding in the piece.
Best
Amena
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gsmoggy
Re: Is this box Italian?
Hello Amena
Many thanks for your comments,great help.Interesting that it may be pre 1935.
Sounds like you do not know what FP means?
I noticed FP letters under a crown ,for very early Italian marks (around 1800)
What do we think the FP stands for on my box? is it the maker or an assay office mark. I cannot find any info on FP mark any where.(a bit strange)
Regards Guido.
Many thanks for your comments,great help.Interesting that it may be pre 1935.
Sounds like you do not know what FP means?
I noticed FP letters under a crown ,for very early Italian marks (around 1800)
What do we think the FP stands for on my box? is it the maker or an assay office mark. I cannot find any info on FP mark any where.(a bit strange)
Regards Guido.
Re: Is this box Italian?
No, it was made much later, most probably after WWI (Art Deco).very early Italian marks (around 1800)
Nothing with 900/1000 fineness can be early 19th century.
Fineness for gold was not added for simple gilding; there was always a substantial sheet of gold fused to silver, very thin, though.
FP is the maker.
Regards
Re: Is this box Italian?
I think FP are the initials of the silversmith.
Almost impossible to trace.
Perhaps you remember the mark of Francesco Pagliani, assayer of the Savoy kingdom, which consists of a crowned and crossed shield with the letters FP next to it.
Nothing to do with this box.
Almost impossible to trace.
Perhaps you remember the mark of Francesco Pagliani, assayer of the Savoy kingdom, which consists of a crowned and crossed shield with the letters FP next to it.
Nothing to do with this box.
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gsmoggy
Re: Is this box Italian?
Many thanks Amena&AG
I did realise my box was not early 1800,I just mentioned it because it was the only time I have seen FP,in the marks section.
Thanks for clearing up about K18.AG.
again strange FP maker is not known.
It seems like it is Italian (?)
appreciate your thoughts.
Regards Guido.
I did realise my box was not early 1800,I just mentioned it because it was the only time I have seen FP,in the marks section.
Thanks for clearing up about K18.AG.
again strange FP maker is not known.
It seems like it is Italian (?)
appreciate your thoughts.
Regards Guido.
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gsmoggy
Re: Is this box Italian?
Hi Members Re this earlier postamena wrote:I think FP are the initials of the silversmith.
Almost impossible to trace.
Perhaps you remember the mark of Francesco Pagliani, assayer of the Savoy kingdom, which consists of a crowned and crossed shield with the letters FP next to it.
Nothing to do with this box.
Just curious Amena why you stated impossible to trace maker FP? not such an early box ,did they not keep records of makers in any office at this time?
Sorry I should have asked this question at the time of your post.
Regards Guido.
Re: Is this box Italian?
Hi
No, as far as I know, there are no archives prior to 1935.
But assuming that that box is Italian and assuming that Mr F.P. or his son obtained registration in the early years (1935 or 1936), we find over 100 goldsmiths whose surname begins with P and over a dozen who have the initials F.P.,
No, as far as I know, there are no archives prior to 1935.
But assuming that that box is Italian and assuming that Mr F.P. or his son obtained registration in the early years (1935 or 1936), we find over 100 goldsmiths whose surname begins with P and over a dozen who have the initials F.P.,
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gsmoggy
Re: Is this box Italian?
Hello Amena
Many thanks for your reply and comments,and for explaining the issue.
Do we have the names of the dozen that start with FP? and any info of their marks? Do you feel sometimes that earlier unrecorded marks ,may have carried over later ,when the mark was later registered ? (same mark in lozenge mark)
Would this be a start for me,to track possible maker? Are we assuming (if the box is Italian) it is pre 1935? because no Italian lozenge state mark?
Regards Guido.
Many thanks for your reply and comments,and for explaining the issue.
Do we have the names of the dozen that start with FP? and any info of their marks? Do you feel sometimes that earlier unrecorded marks ,may have carried over later ,when the mark was later registered ? (same mark in lozenge mark)
Would this be a start for me,to track possible maker? Are we assuming (if the box is Italian) it is pre 1935? because no Italian lozenge state mark?
Regards Guido.