The dedication plate applied to the box also has two marks which do not appear to be English and whose meaning I do not know.
Can anyone give me information on this?
Thanks for the attention
Amena
A conductor's baton
A conductor's baton
I have a conductor's baton with low gold trims, with English hallmarking.
The dedication plate applied to the box also has two marks which do not appear to be English and whose meaning I do not know.
Can anyone give me information on this?
Thanks for the attention
Amena
The dedication plate applied to the box also has two marks which do not appear to be English and whose meaning I do not know.
Can anyone give me information on this?
Thanks for the attention
Amena
Re: A conductor's baton
Hi Amena,
The baton has the marks for London 1902 - 9ct gold. There should be a maker's/sponsor's mark, but perhaps this has been lost by wear or hidden or defaced by engraving.
The marks on the plaque perhaps offer a clue to the maker and this may be Long & Co. Ltd. of Marylebone, London, who around this time were described as stick-mounters. It was likely un-necessary for the plaque to be hallmarked due to the weight being less than required, and this may account for the use of the unregistered mark 'LONG'.
Signor Ferrugio Gionvanni Grossi (1877-1955), was an Egyptian born Italian, who supervised the Cork Orchestral Union from 1903 to 1910.
Trev.
The baton has the marks for London 1902 - 9ct gold. There should be a maker's/sponsor's mark, but perhaps this has been lost by wear or hidden or defaced by engraving.
The marks on the plaque perhaps offer a clue to the maker and this may be Long & Co. Ltd. of Marylebone, London, who around this time were described as stick-mounters. It was likely un-necessary for the plaque to be hallmarked due to the weight being less than required, and this may account for the use of the unregistered mark 'LONG'.
Signor Ferrugio Gionvanni Grossi (1877-1955), was an Egyptian born Italian, who supervised the Cork Orchestral Union from 1903 to 1910.
Trev.
Re: A conductor's baton
Thanks trev for your reply.
Indeed, the sponsor's mark is on all three trims of the baton, H dot W in a lozenge. I hadn't noticed them. I don't know if they could be referring to
Henry Williamson.
However, I didn't quite understand the sentence
It was likely un-necessary for the plaque to be hallmarked due to the weight being less than required.
It seems to me that the plate is heavier than the individual pieces on the stick, which are instead hallmarked correctly.
Do you think the plaque is also 9 karat gold?
I see that there is a very noticeable color difference between the plate and the baton trims, which tend to be copper in color.
I have several photos and objects that were presented to Signor Grossi, since one of his daughters lived near Bologna.
Best regards
Amena
Indeed, the sponsor's mark is on all three trims of the baton, H dot W in a lozenge. I hadn't noticed them. I don't know if they could be referring to
Henry Williamson.
However, I didn't quite understand the sentence
It was likely un-necessary for the plaque to be hallmarked due to the weight being less than required.
It seems to me that the plate is heavier than the individual pieces on the stick, which are instead hallmarked correctly.
Do you think the plaque is also 9 karat gold?
I see that there is a very noticeable color difference between the plate and the baton trims, which tend to be copper in color.
I have several photos and objects that were presented to Signor Grossi, since one of his daughters lived near Bologna.
Best regards
Amena
Re: A conductor's baton
H·W is Henry Ware, another London stick-mounter.
There would be no legal requirement to hallmark the bands on the baton providing they were below the permitted weight of 10dwt.. In this case it would likely have been done voluntarily to enhance the item.
The baton was likely a stock item of Henry Ware and the plaque a later addition and perhaps (if under 10dwt.) not considered worthy of the extra cost of hallmarking and self-marked by the supplier.
Trev.
There would be no legal requirement to hallmark the bands on the baton providing they were below the permitted weight of 10dwt.. In this case it would likely have been done voluntarily to enhance the item.
The baton was likely a stock item of Henry Ware and the plaque a later addition and perhaps (if under 10dwt.) not considered worthy of the extra cost of hallmarking and self-marked by the supplier.
Trev.